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Remains of settlements - currently under review

Last post 10-25-2009, 12:32 PM by the blue quasar. 34 replies.
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  •  10-12-2009, 11:04 AM 25939 in reply to 25920

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    I'm sorry but I'm still not seeing the whole picture here. Are cellar holes in or out? What about remains of a dam, stone walls I assume should be left out because of the difficulty in waymarking miles of them. I like the example you have above but a few of the cellar holes I found has a stone lined well next to them. Do you waymark the well as being part of a settlement and not the cellar holes? At an 1800's glasshouse in my area we have a couple of stone line horse shoe shaped pits. I'm still not sure what they would have been used for but they are very interesting. The glass house itself has a few foundations. I'd like to see someone work with you on translating this into english. I want to see your category up and running but I still think it needs a little more clarification unless I'm missing something. Maybe a list of except-able items and as many examples as you can possibly find. I really love the concept and I think there is some stuff around here that I can add to your category that are well worth waymarking that just don't fit anywhere's else. Please don't give up, you have a really great start and a wonderful idea. Keep it going. Swizzle
  •  10-13-2009, 12:16 AM 25950 in reply to 25939

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    New proposed listing, there are some examples, but the category is not limited to it... The category is enought universal, but be carefull if you have better category for your waymark, you must use it...


    Expanded Description:

    This Waymarking category includes all interesting proofs of settlement in the past, that tells us something about how people lived there. This category is not limited to the ruins of buildings. Examples of waymarks include but are not limited to: old avenues of trees, dissolute orchards, ruins of old wells, etc. The key requirement to the category is to post a little bit of the history you find. If you don't find any information about the locations history, please estimate the significance of this place in the past and when it was built and/or abandoned.

    Old well
    Old well

    Requirements for posting a new waymark
    • Waymark must be on an unpopulated place in nature.
    • Place should not have architectural or archaeological value, but it should have some other values (i.e. nice locality, interesting history, etc.).
    • Place should not be huge (for example village or town), but it should be quite small (homestead, hunting hut, old orchard, old big water well, etc.).
    • A summary of the history of the place is required.
    • A description of the remains found here is required.
    • At least one photo is required.
    Some examples
    • Within is a scenic forest we can find evidence of an orchard and some ruins of homestead here (but nothing with architectural or archaeological value). There is a tragic but interesting story about last owners of this homestead.
    • There is an old water well on the brink of the forest. This well produced water for near hunting hut (there are not any remains of this hunting hut here but there are remains of a water canal that was connecting the hunting hut and the well). Native people say that if somebody drank the water from this well and lied the same day, he died exactly one year after that drinking.
    • An old swimming pool found in ruin. Originally, this pool was originally at the residence of a factory owner. After World War 2, communism took hold and property was confiscated by the government. The pool and property, no longer being maintained fell into ruin. Today, the pool is all that remains.
    • An old row of trees remains in a somewhat odd location. The history of the area turns out that this is a fence line of trees that was on an abandoned road leading to an old silver mine. The remains of the road are over grown with grass and brush, but these beautiful old trees remain here to attest to the former location of a road. (NOTE: The abandoned mine is not waymarkable in this category. Please use the "Mines" category instead. The row of trees is the subject.)

    Old well
    Old swimming pool

    This category is not ment to have duplication in waymarks
    • Utilize the category "Ghost Towns" for whole communities that are abandoned.
    • While excellent items, please utilize the specific categories for "Iron Furnace Ruins", "Water Mills," or other like categories.
    • Structures that are being maintained should be filed under the category "Preserved Architectural Remnants and Ruins".
    • Archeological sites should be waymarked using the categories of "New World Evidence," or other appropriate categories.
    • Historic structures should use the appropriate categories first, such as "Castles," "Ancient Roman Civilization," "In Search of the Celts," or other category.

  •  10-13-2009, 3:20 AM 25951 in reply to 25950

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    This category is not ment to have duplication in waymarks
    • Utilize the category "Ghost Towns" for whole communities that are abandoned.
    • While excellent items, please utilize the specific categories for "Iron Furnace Ruins", "Water Mills," or other like categories.
    • Structures that are being maintained should be filed under the category "Preserved Architectural Remnants and Ruins".
    • Archeological sites should be waymarked using the categories of "New World Evidence," or other appropriate categories.
    • Historic structures should use the appropriate categories first, such as "Castles," "Ancient Roman Civilization," "In Search of the Celts," or other category.
    • The category "Historic Forts" are established for rebuilt or intact forts, and should be used first. As stated in their category rules, "NO RUINS" are to be waymarked. Ruins of forts are accepted here.
  •  10-13-2009, 4:43 AM 25952 in reply to 25951

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    In the one area that I'm thinking of waymarking for this category there is a few scattered cellar holes. Should I make a tour of sorts with waypoints at each cellar hole and the row of stones in a pile that leads all the way to the ruins of the dam? I think that would be more interesting then just a single well or a cellar hole. Swizzle
  •  10-13-2009, 8:24 AM 25953 in reply to 25952

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    It hears like interesting waymark for our category if you find/expect function of this celar holes and dam :-)... Waymark may be your dam and you can add some celar holes like waypoints...

    Roman
  •  10-13-2009, 8:58 AM 25954 in reply to 25950

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    I am liking the look of this category. Thanks for continuing to work on it. You have done a good job.

    Some thoughts.

    "please estimate the significance of this place in the past and when it was built and/or abandoned."

    I do not like this particular line. On the Internet if someone posts an estimate of significance in one place it becomes fact at another. If a waymarker doesn't know about an item I don't think he should guess.


    "Waymark must be on an unpopulated place in nature."

    On should be at her.  At an unpopulated place.

    "Place should not have architectural or archaeological value..."


    I think any remains or ruin of any sort has the potential of archaeological value. So maybe it might be further clarified as;
    Place should not have architectural or known/significant archaeological value...



    "A summary of the history of the place is required."

    I don't know if I would require this. Some locations would make a wonderful waymark but the poster might not know the history. A visitor later might have information that could be shared that would never be made known if the waymark were not created.

    "At least one photo is required."


    Require two. One closeup and one area view. This will give a better sense of the location.

    I like the examples section. I think that in some minor cases the readability can be improved. This is not a criticism at all. I am impressed by how well it has transformed.

    Here are my suggestions.

    • Within is a scenic forest we can find evidence of an orchard and some ruins of a homestead here (but nothing with architectural or known archaeological value). There is a tragic but interesting story about last owners of this homestead.
    • There is an old water well on the edge of the forest. This well produced water for a nearby hunting hut (there no remains of this hunting hut here but there are remains of a water canal that was connecting the hunting hut and the well). Native people say that if somebody drank the water from this well and lied the same day, he died exactly one year after that drinking.
    • An old swimming pool found in ruin. Originally, this pool was (remove second originally) at the residence of a factory owner. After World War 2, communism took hold and the property was confiscated by the government. The pool and property, no longer being maintained fell into ruin. Today, the pool is all that remains.
    • An old row of trees remains in a somewhat odd location. The history of the area indicate that this is a fence line of trees that was on an abandoned road leading to an old silver mine. The remains of the road are over grown with grass and brush, but these beautiful old trees remain here to attest to the former location of a road. (NOTE: The abandoned mine is not waymarkable in this category. Please use the "Mines" category instead. The row of trees is the subject.)
    Thanks for bringing this to the forums. The discussion has really helped me to understand your idea.










  •  10-13-2009, 11:44 AM 25958 in reply to 25954

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    I am liking the look of this category. Thanks for continuing to work on it. You have done a good job.

    Some thoughts.

    "please estimate the significance of this place in the past and when it was built and/or abandoned."

    I do not like this particular line. On the Internet if someone posts an estimate of significance in one place it becomes fact at another. If a waymarker doesn't know about an item I don't think he should guess.

    ---
    >>> Sorry, but the category is historical. The history is important... This part is here for people who didnt find history. I extend the definition with this sentece: A summary of the history of the place is required. If you don't find any information about the locations history, please estimate the significance of this place in the past and when it was built and/or abandoned. If you estimated the significance of the place, please write this fact in the listing too.



    "Waymark must be on an unpopulated place in nature."

    On should be at her.  At an unpopulated place.
    ---
    >>> I agree, it was modified...

    "Place should not have architectural or archaeological value..."


    I think any remains or ruin of any sort has the potential of archaeological value. So maybe it might be further clarified as;
    Place should not have architectural or known/significant archaeological value...

    ---
    >>> I agree, it was modified...


    "A summary of the history of the place is required."

    I don't know if I would require this. Some locations would make a wonderful waymark but the poster might not know the history. A visitor later might have information that could be shared that would never be made known if the waymark were not created.
    ---
    >>> In my first answer...

    "At least one photo is required."


    Require two. One closeup and one area view. This will give a better sense of the location.
    ---
    >>> I agree, but there are places, where 1 photo is enought, so I left it... It is on desicion of owner...

    I like the examples section. I think that in some minor cases the readability can be improved. This is not a criticism at all. I am impressed by how well it has transformed.

    Here are my suggestions.

    • Within is a scenic forest we can find evidence of an orchard and some ruins of a homestead here (but nothing with architectural or known archaeological value). There is a tragic but interesting story about last owners of this homestead.
    • There is an old water well on the edge of the forest. This well produced water for a nearby hunting hut (there no remains of this hunting hut here but there are remains of a water canal that was connecting the hunting hut and the well). Native people say that if somebody drank the water from this well and lied the same day, he died exactly one year after that drinking.
    • An old swimming pool found in ruin. Originally, this pool was (remove second originally) at the residence of a factory owner. After World War 2, communism took hold and the property was confiscated by the government. The pool and property, no longer being maintained fell into ruin. Today, the pool is all that remains.
    • An old row of trees remains in a somewhat odd location. The history of the area indicate that this is a fence line of trees that was on an abandoned road leading to an old silver mine. The remains of the road are over grown with grass and brush, but these beautiful old trees remain here to attest to the former location of a road. (NOTE: The abandoned mine is not waymarkable in this category. Please use the "Mines" category instead. The row of trees is the subject.)
    ---
    >>>Thank you for your points. I corrected it.. I am impressed by how well it has transformed. - it is due to my friend Krovicko and our new member GParkes...


    Thank you very much for your opinion...
    Roman
  •  10-13-2009, 12:29 PM 25959 in reply to 25958

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    If you're not going to require additional photo's then you should highly encourage them. Its always nice to have a few different perspectives. On rare occasion my camera has been screwing up and I have broken pictures that are useless and I can't see them. The extra photo's would allow the user to pick the best ones. Sometimes I can't tell if a photo is blurry until I get it home on my computer so a few extra photos from different angles doesn't bother me at all and just takes an extra minute to make a better waymark. It might also be the difference between you approving or denying a waymark. I had to go back to one waymark and take an extra photo and that was 40 miles round trip. If you require two and they take two then you stand a better chance of having at least one decent usable photo representation of the waymark. Just my opinion. Swizzle
  •  10-17-2009, 5:23 AM 26044 in reply to 25959

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    I think it's now MUCH improved. 

    As someone above has said - thanks for bringing it to the forums.

    I think you may get some really fascinating waymarks 

    Unfortunately I think you will probably get some not-so-interesting ones too, but hey, you can't have everything! Big Smile

  •  10-25-2009, 12:32 PM 26253 in reply to 26044

    Re: Remains of settlements - currently under review

    Team Sieni:

    I think you may get some really fascinating waymarks 


    Unfortunately I think you will probably get some not-so-interesting ones too, but hey, you can't have everything! Big Smile



    I believe that actually IS the definition of "everything" {snicker}

    Cool BQ
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