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I am proposing a category called “No Wake Lake”

 

The idea is to mark flat water that is nice and quiet and would make a good location for paddling.

 

A lot of folks want to paddle but don't want to shuttle, don't want to run rapids, want a simple easy day of sight seeing and exercise, and want a place to take their children, grand children, and dog that has a relatively controlled environment.

 

I don't believe that this is the same as down river canoeing and kayaking. There is a world of difference between a highly rockered canoe or whitewater kayak and a dedicated flatwater canoe or kayak. They are in many ways totally different craft and pursuits.

 

Here is what I have in the description:

Lakes, ponds, impoundments, etc where motors are forbidden, motor size is restricted, or wake is prohibited. In other words, lakes that would be good for quiet paddling.

Possible attributes:
Size of lake
Managing entity
Restrictions: no motor, limited horsepower, no wake.

Thanks for your comments, I look forward to seeing what we can do.

 

There is a Canoe/Kayak Trips  category and I think the locations you are suggesting fall in there as it is quite broad.

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above.

The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

Rabbitto:

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above. The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

What do you propose to be waymarked for a lake?  Many lakes are huge.  One waymark for a lake?   Where would you like a a waymark for Lake Superior, maybe in Minnesota, Wisconsin or maybe Michigan  oh lets not forget Ontario.  Large geographic items do not make for good waymarks. 

We don't have a category for mountains only for the summit.  We don't have one for river only specific points along them.    Lakes or points along lakes can be waymarked in many categories.

I think the boat launch category is a good way to divide up large lakes.

The scenic Views would also provide waypoints along a large lake.

Whats a lake on an island called? That would be an interesting subset of lakes!

I was just reading the description of Lake in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake

and if you could sort out the issue on what point to waymark on a large lake, it looks like it could be a really interesting and educational category.

gt.us:

Whats a lake on an island called? That would be an interesting subset of lakes!

You made me look. Closest I could find was "lake on an island".

But I did find this very interesting (to me anyhow) site about island lakes.

TheBeanTeam:

You made me look. Closest I could find was "lake on an island".

But I did find this very interesting (to me anyhow) site about island lakes.

LOL. Just imagine if they factored Islands in Rivers into that tongue twister!

How about a category of  "Named Islands" -

- a couple in  Florida Everglades ?
.. and lastly the ever in-for-mative   Wikipedia of Ten Thousand Islands.

--- Now get your boat out... and don't forget your camera.

BruceS:

Rabbitto:

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above.

The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

What do you propose to be waymarked for a lake?  Many lakes are huge.  One waymark for a lake?   Where would you like a a waymark for Lake Superior, maybe in Minnesota, Wisconsin or maybe Michigan  oh lets not forget Ontario.  Large geographic items do not make for good waymarks. 

We don't have a category for mountains only for the summit.  We don't have one for river only specific points along them.    Lakes or points along lakes can be waymarked in many categories.

Hence the need to have smart subcategories. There is no reason why one large lake cannot have a large number of waymarks. Sure not random waymarks every 200m or so along the shore but useful viewpoints, boat ramps, bird hides. The real key would be able to have cross reference search system to enable to tie boat ramps to sea, ocean, river or lake etc.

right.

as in:
i am traveling to 'lake erie'.....only show me/down load the waymarks associated with this lake (ramps, trails, wikipedia, parks [state?, local?], fishing spot, dive location, etc....)

Rabbitto:

BruceS:

Rabbitto:

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above. The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

What do you propose to be waymarked for a lake?  Many lakes are huge.  One waymark for a lake?   Where would you like a a waymark for Lake Superior, maybe in Minnesota, Wisconsin or maybe Michigan  oh lets not forget Ontario.  Large geographic items do not make for good waymarks. 

We don't have a category for mountains only for the summit.  We don't have one for river only specific points along them.    Lakes or points along lakes can be waymarked in many categories.

Hence the need to have smart subcategories. There is no reason why one large lake cannot have a large number of waymarks. Sure not random waymarks every 200m or so along the shore but useful viewpoints, boat ramps, bird hides. The real key would be able to have cross reference search system to enable to tie boat ramps to sea, ocean, river or lake etc.

I think you have a misunderstanding on how waymarking is organized.  We don't have subcategories we have categories only.  We have categories for boat ramps, scenic viewpoint, lighthouses, canoe/kayak launching places, bird watching places among other which could be lake related.   We don't need lake boat ramps, lake scenic viewpoints,... etc.   If a waymark is properly written and it is on a particular lake then it will come up in search (waymark says it is on such and such lake).  It would help if we had the capability to search along a route thus being able to draw a route around a large lake or between several lakes and search for waymarks along that route.

Rabbitto:

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above.

The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

I often see "out of the box" thinking when it comes to expanding the way waymarking is used.

Do a well written write up, and there is a good chance it will pass.

Perhaps you can encourage people to "link" non-lake category waymarks related to yours by including the Lakes WM number in a searchable area of their description. Then a quick link in your Lake waymark could provide a list of all who are Linked to it.

BruceS:

Rabbitto:

BruceS:

Rabbitto:

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above.

The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

What do you propose to be waymarked for a lake?  Many lakes are huge.  One waymark for a lake?   Where would you like a a waymark for Lake Superior, maybe in Minnesota, Wisconsin or maybe Michigan  oh lets not forget Ontario.  Large geographic items do not make for good waymarks. 

We don't have a category for mountains only for the summit.  We don't have one for river only specific points along them.    Lakes or points along lakes can be waymarked in many categories.

Hence the need to have smart subcategories. There is no reason why one large lake cannot have a large number of waymarks. Sure not random waymarks every 200m or so along the shore but useful viewpoints, boat ramps, bird hides. The real key would be able to have cross reference search system to enable to tie boat ramps to sea, ocean, river or lake etc.

I think you have a misunderstanding on how waymarking is organized.  We don't have subcategories we have categories only.  We have categories for boat ramps, scenic viewpoint, lighthouses, canoe/kayak launching places, bird watching places among other which could be lake related.   We don't need lake boat ramps, lake scenic viewpoints,... etc.   If a waymark is properly written and it is on a particular lake then it will come up in search (waymark says it is on such and such lake).  It would help if we had the capability to search along a route thus being able to draw a route around a large lake or between several lakes and search for waymarks along that route.

No misunderstanding. Example - Look up Category - "Rides and Moving Attractions". It has 6 Subcategories cleverly hidden under the title "Subcategories"

Yes, misunderstanding.  The term for Rides and Moving Attractions below is "Subcategories".  In order to avoid such confusion, it might be better labeled as "Subdivisions" below the main "Department."  Then below it should be the "Categories" instead of Subcategories.

Subcategories:

My first question for you is why only "No Wake Lakes"?  How about "No Wake River Sections"?  "No Wake Reserviors"  "No Wake Bays"   Is the intent to have a database of places to paddle where power boating is limited?

My second question is the issue of No Wake issue large enough that the existing "Canoe/Kayak Trips" category would not suffice as a search point for paddling ideas?   

Since I see an existing category meeting the need, my current vote would be "nay".  Need to make a case why the new proposal would have so many different waymarks that would not fit.

Rabbitto:

BruceS:

Rabbitto:

BruceS:

Rabbitto:

I am right up for this category. There is not even a general Lakes category though there is a group but this seems to have stalled. I would like to see a broad Lakes category with some subcategories such as the one above. The canoeing and kayaking is entirely different. Lets give lakes a run.

What do you propose to be waymarked for a lake?  Many lakes are huge.  One waymark for a lake?   Where would you like a a waymark for Lake Superior, maybe in Minnesota, Wisconsin or maybe Michigan  oh lets not forget Ontario.  Large geographic items do not make for good waymarks. 

We don't have a category for mountains only for the summit.  We don't have one for river only specific points along them.    Lakes or points along lakes can be waymarked in many categories.

Hence the need to have smart subcategories. There is no reason why one large lake cannot have a large number of waymarks. Sure not random waymarks every 200m or so along the shore but useful viewpoints, boat ramps, bird hides. The real key would be able to have cross reference search system to enable to tie boat ramps to sea, ocean, river or lake etc.

I think you have a misunderstanding on how waymarking is organized.  We don't have subcategories we have categories only.  We have categories for boat ramps, scenic viewpoint, lighthouses, canoe/kayak launching places, bird watching places among other which could be lake related.   We don't need lake boat ramps, lake scenic viewpoints,... etc.   If a waymark is properly written and it is on a particular lake then it will come up in search (waymark says it is on such and such lake).  It would help if we had the capability to search along a route thus being able to draw a route around a large lake or between several lakes and search for waymarks along that route.

No misunderstanding. Example - Look up Category - "Rides and Moving Attractions". It has 6 Subcategories cleverly hidden under the title "Subcategories"

You still misunderstand.  Only thing  you can create are categories.  Those things you are seeing above the lowest level  not real categories only the lowest level ones are real categories.  You can not submit waymarks to Rides and Attractions only to those 6 categories below it.   When categories were first created they fell directly under the 15 departments then as time went on and there were more categories with similar content they were grouped together by GroundSpeak in "categories" like Rides and Attractions which was then added into the category tree.  Thus you can not create a Lakes category and then add other categories under it.  You can just add the categories, and then at sometime if Groundspeak decides wow there are a lot (usually around 5 or 6) of lake categories they will create that level called Lakes. I would not expect one called lakes would ever be created,  maybe one called Water Features or something  including things having to do with lakes, rivers, canals etc.