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I was just going over the recent waymarks, when I came across 4 Gluten Free Restaurants in the Vancouver, WA/Portland, OR area posted by Everglades.

No pictures at all, and a description that's basically just a phone number. And reviewed by Everglades.

Have the rest of us been doing it the hard way all this time?

Looks like if I get the yellow pages out I can really get my numbers up there!

Yeah, yellow pages and Google Earth!

Alright! Great idea, thanks Everglades!

What seems to be the problem?

Gluten Free Restaurants are for Coeliacs. Gluten Free Restaurants are not easy to find. Have I missed the purpose of waymarking or have I missed the tone of the message?

Such a list is less likely to have 'visits' marked in the system because available money is generally spent on the high costs of eating gluten free. Also as medicine has come to find out, many but not all autistic children have symptoms greatly reduced when adhering to a strict gluten free diet. It is also likely these families are less likely to post 'finds' as well as time is spent on care.

By inflection from the alarm in your message I take it that you have no problem whatsoever eating gluten and do not understand the significance of such a list to somebody who cannot without severe consequences. So I'll say it. It is significant to have such a list, photos or sans photos. An address and a description of a large building are generally good enough to find it even without a photo. Buildings usually end up being kind of hard to miss this way.

If the administrators do not want these on waymarking.com let them tell me know now and I'll take my efforts elsewhere. Otherwise my waypoint posts to gluten free restaurants will look the same when I get a chance to post them.

Everglades:

What seems to be the problem?

Gluten Free Restaurants are for Coeliacs. Gluten Free Restaurants are not easy to find. Have I missed the purpose of waymarking or have I missed the tone of the message?

Such a list is less likely to have 'visits' marked in the system because available money is generally spent on the high costs of eating gluten free. Also as medicine has come to find out, many but not all autistic children have symptoms greatly reduced when adhering to a strict gluten free diet. It is also likely these families are less likely to post 'finds' as well as time is spent on care.

By inflection from the alarm in your message I take it that you have no problem whatsoever eating gluten and do not understand the significance of such a list to somebody who cannot without severe consequences. So I'll say it. It is significant to have such a list, photos or sans photos. An address and a description of a large building are generally good enough to find it even without a photo. Buildings usually end up being kind of hard to miss this way.

If the administrators do not want these on waymarking.com let them tell me know now and I'll take my efforts elsewhere. Otherwise my waypoint posts to gluten free restaurants will look the same when I get a chance to post them.

First, let me begin by asking, "How is coeliac pronounced? I'm not familiar with the term. And yes, I am very fortunate to be one of those people who can pretty much eat anything, except seafood. Not because of allergies, but because I know first hand what we've done to our oceans, lakes, and streams". But I digress...

Secondly, I don't mean to much fun of somebody's medical condition. That surely isn't my intent. I'm sure these type of places are very hard to find. This is just one reason why Waymarking is so cool. Besides being a great way to kill time, it does provide a great service by showcasing locations that would otherwise go unnoticed. As far as meeting the needs of people with various conditions, as far as I'm concerned, it makes it all that much better.

I didn't mean to upset you over this, I just think the nature of waymarking is to provide at least one picture and a little more in the description than a phone number, just like any other category. Maybe I'm completely off base, and if so, then I appologize.

 

TF7

There is nothing wrong with the category for Gluten Free restaurants, however a listing with nothing but an address and coordinates (which by the category description could be from GoogleEarth which is not an acceptable practice, gps coordinate are a standard).   At least say if the food is good.  There are good and bad Gluten Free restaurants just as there are for other restaurants. 

Oh, by the way. Happy Mother's Day.

I would say it was up to the category owner to decide if the waymark is good or bad.

If a category is an inventory-type category, and the category owner doesn't require a visit to post, that is really the bottom line.

I believe the off leash dog areas specifically says that they don't require you to actually go to the site and photograph it.

I often look at other peoples waymark submissions as a guide to what I can do with mine.

team farkle 7:

First, let me begin by asking, "How is coeliac pronounced? I'm not familiar with the term. And yes, I am very fortunate to be one of those people who can pretty much eat anything, except seafood. Not because of allergies, but because I know first hand what we've done to our oceans, lakes, and streams". But I digress...

Secondly, I don't mean to much fun of somebody's medical condition. That surely isn't my intent. I'm sure these type of places are very hard to find. This is just one reason why Waymarking is so cool. Besides being a great way to kill time, it does provide a great service by showcasing locations that would otherwise go unnoticed. As far as meeting the needs of people with various conditions, as far as I'm concerned, it makes it all that much better.

I didn't mean to upset you over this, I just think the nature of waymarking is to provide at least one picture and a little more in the description than a phone number, just like any other category. Maybe I'm completely off base, and if so, then I appologize.

Thank you. I do appreciate the clarification. I figured it was either my not understanding of the waymarking.com system or a zealous approach to good and bad marks but it was actually somewhere in between. I also didn't want to make you think that you were poking fun. I just wanted to get the point across that this is an important category with our without pics. I'm sorry if it didn't work out that way in text.

With the fish and seafood, is it because you are worried about being poisoned or is it the treatment of the animals or something else? I've been wondering for a long time if wild fish is safer or less safe than noninjected farm fish.

I'll digress a little too because you so politely opened the door.

Coeliac or celiac as it is often pronounced, sounds a lot like sillyyak. In fact there is a yahoo group called sillyyak for celiacs. The only current accepted treatment is strict diet without gluten (wheat, rye, barley). This usually means oats too because they are often grown on the same fields and these fields have volunteers from the previous years mixed in. Because wheat is cheap it is used everywhere and in everything commercial including many seasonings, soups, and sauces. There is no magic pill when gluten is eaten. You eat it and you suffer. Symptoms can range widely depending on the person. Many people go on undiagnosed for years with only symptoms diagnosed but not the actual cause of the problem diagnosed. Symptoms like misdiagnosed IBS and correctly diagnosed psorasis are common. Since it affects nutrient intake when you eat gluten, any problem resulting from poor nutrition can be caused. I stopped my hair falling out in large quantities after switching my diet to a gluten free diet. This was because for me I wasn't absorbing some nutrient I needed when I was eating gluten.

It used to be just a few years ago almost nothing could be found for gluten free carbohydrates on store shelves and resturants. It is a lot more common to find them in the US now but you have to do your homework first to do so. I hesitate to call it a movement because of the horrible pun but the gluten free movement is nearly mainstream now. However, it can never be fully mainstream when you can enter a restaurant, ask what is gluten free and get a cheerful answer of, "We have a few sugar free and no sugar added pies." I generally say to them that sugar is not a problem and go through a few more questions to find out if anybody knows the answer and usually look for somewhere else to eat. I have been to a few places where even the chef admited he didn't know every ingreedient they were serving. If that doesn't scare you, what will?

Thank you Team Farkle 7 from Great grandmother Rose Red.  Back to the subject: to paraphrase a California politician "when you've seen one Sequoia tree, you've seen them all."  Perhaps that applies to Gluten Free Restaurants also.  Photographs are not really necessary.  When you've seen one Gluten Free Restaurant, you've seen them all.   How interesting can the outside of a Gluten Free Restaurant be?

Gluten intolerance is not a very fun issue when dining.

IMHO, every Waymark should have a default image (except 'Best Kept Secrets') even if they are redundant.  We know what a McDonald's looks like right?  Still, consistency and an image improves any listing.

Submitting and then accepting your own Waymark listings is viewed by many as inappropriate.  While the system allows it, this type of action doesn't feel ethical.  Let another Officer check it for completeness and compliance.

 

BQ

Not only are photographs not important, but correct coordinates are evidently not important at least in one instance.  Assaggio Restaurant is listed on 7742 SE 13th Street in Portland, Oregon but the map shows that it is located on SE 30th Avenue according to the coordinates.

the blue quasar:

IMHO, every Waymark should have a default image (except 'Best Kept Secrets') even if they are redundant.  We know what a McDonald's looks like right?  Still, consistency and an image improves any listing.

Yes, the photgraphs are nice. Sometimes getting information into an inventory is a first step, though. The picture can come from someone that has used the waymark to their benefit.

I still don't have a submission in that cat. I have one in my mind, but haven't quite made it out there. When I was researching, it was almost impossible to do a Google search and come up with any kind of list. There are newsgroups where people with needs share their knowledge. Even among the newgroup postings, they say not to take any recommendations as gospel, as the chef that knows how to cook gluten free might be out that night.

I can see what a restauant name and phone number would be the most important, above and beyond a photo. A person visiting would want to be able to make plans in advance.

Bottom Line - Waymarking categories are an eclectic group, and there isn't a cookie cutter that can define right - wrong - good - bad

I looked at the waymarks in question. I think photos would make them better, but it's not my call. It's not my group. The fact is that whether groups are lenient or strict with the approvals will play into how people see the group and submit waymarks to the group. To each their own.

Everglades:

Thank you. I do appreciate the clarification. I figured it was either my not understanding of the waymarking.com system or a zealous approach to good and bad marks but it was actually somewhere in between. I also didn't want to make you think that you were poking fun. I just wanted to get the point across that this is an important category with our without pics. I'm sorry if it didn't work out that way in text.

I understand your concerns and hope everyone is clear I wasn't trying to poke fun.

With the fish and seafood, is it because you are worried about being poisoned or is it the treatment of the animals or something else? I've been wondering for a long time if wild fish is safer or less safe than noninjected farm fish.

2 years, 6 months and 19 days aboard a US naval vessel. You don't want to know what gets tossed... the farms are no better, in fact they're generally worse. It's the same water and they're the proverbial fish in a barrel. Lots of fish tiny barrel. And before I'm called an alarmist, I grew up on the east coast, and what I wouldn't do to crack open a lobster right now. But like Marvin Gaye sung (how long ago?) in Mercy Mercy Me. Fish full of mercury.

I'll digress a little too because you so politely opened the door.

Coeliac or celiac as it is often pronounced, sounds a lot like sillyyak. In fact there is a yahoo group called sillyyak for celiacs. The only current accepted treatment is strict diet without gluten (wheat, rye, barley). This usually means oats too because they are often grown on the same fields and these fields have volunteers from the previous years mixed in. Because wheat is cheap it is used everywhere and in everything commercial including many seasonings, soups, and sauces. There is no magic pill when gluten is eaten. You eat it and you suffer. Symptoms can range widely depending on the person. Many people go on undiagnosed for years with only symptoms diagnosed but not the actual cause of the problem diagnosed. Symptoms like misdiagnosed IBS and correctly diagnosed psorasis are common. Since it affects nutrient intake when you eat gluten, any problem resulting from poor nutrition can be caused. I stopped my hair falling out in large quantities after switching my diet to a gluten free diet. This was because for me I wasn't absorbing some nutrient I needed when I was eating gluten.

It used to be just a few years ago almost nothing could be found for gluten free carbohydrates on store shelves and resturants. It is a lot more common to find them in the US now but you have to do your homework first to do so. I hesitate to call it a movement because of the horrible pun but the gluten free movement is nearly mainstream now. However, it can never be fully mainstream when you can enter a restaurant, ask what is gluten free and get a cheerful answer of, "We have a few sugar free and no sugar added pies." I generally say to them that sugar is not a problem and go through a few more questions to find out if anybody knows the answer and usually look for somewhere else to eat. I have been to a few places where even the chef admited he didn't know every ingreedient they were serving. If that doesn't scare you, what will?

Thanks for the lesson in health & nutrition, are all Outback Steakhouses Gluten free? What's IBS?

TF7

The main thing being addressed is really the description and a picture. The description doesn't have to be lenghty, just put what you know. This would more likely garner a location more visits. Obviously, some categories are more demanding than others, so I would describe accordingly.  A picture is nice too. Yes most of us know what an Outback Steakhouse looks like (as a for instance), but the same is true for some of the other categories. I suppose columns of pictures of water towers, and quonset huts can get redundant, unless you're really into them. I think the same thing about the ANWB Paddenstoelens, those cement mushroom things they use to mark bike trails in Europe, but I wouldn't mind a list of them if I were making the trek.

 

TF7

IBS is Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

Thanks Occam. I am so glad I asked...

See folks, there really is such a thing as a stupid question.

Not really stupid. I didn't know either......I thought it was Irritable Bowler all this time.

team farkle 7:

posted by Everglades.

And reviewed by Everglades.

I missed the self-review before.

I still think that's something to be avoided.

Couldn't help but chime in on this discussion.
The prime purpose seems to be to Waymark this type of restaurant only and not let anyone else (officers) review or correct his/her waymark  as all have been approved by  Everglades. ... for about the past 2 years.

The comment about one looking like any other (McDuck reference) does NOT apply to any of these places as they are not chains.  If you are looking for a restaurants and already know what it or the building looks like,  before you get there,  it can be much easier to spot in a busy mall or along the road.

I see a couple of other Waymarkers still like to approve their own waymark and/or also post  visits to their own Waymarks to add to their 'visit count' which I also find unethical  (yes I know it's a strong word)

If a waymarker doesn't have a camera, that's one thing, and we all know that sometimes typos happen with coordinates. I think we can all be lienent and understanding in those circumstances; but, to provide little to no information in the long description or to provide no images when you have a camera is just plain out lazy waymarking. Some people play for the numbers and the little ribbons on their profile, and all the more power to them if they think it means something. But, even though a number of waymarkers think lazy waymarking is disrespectful, unless a category specifically says more information must be written in the long description of new waymark submissions, there's no reason why someone can't be as lazy and half-effort as they want to be. Apparently, this is easier to do when you can approve your own half-effort waymarks.

 

PS: How did they even think the OP had a problem with the category or people with health problems? It was pretty clear what the jeering was for.

haunthunters:

If a waymarker doesn't have a camera, that's one thing, and we all know that sometimes typos happen with coordinates. I think we can all be lienent and understanding in those circumstances; but, to provide little to no information in the long description or to provide no images when you have a camera is just plain out lazy waymarking. Some people play for the numbers and the little ribbons on their profile, and all the more power to them if they think it means something. But, even though a number of waymarkers think lazy waymarking is disrespectful, unless a category specifically says more information must be written in the long description of new waymark submissions, there's no reason why someone can't be as lazy and half-effort as they want to be. Apparently, this is easier to do when you can approve your own half-effort waymarks.

 

PS: How did they even think the OP had a problem with the category or people with health problems? It was pretty clear what the jeering was for.

No camera?  Find one or get another hobby.  Not to put to fine a point on it but providing a photo that YOU TOOK YOURSELF and adding to the listing should be a requirement across all categories.  While I'm not saying that I'm in favour of a "Listing Guidelines" in the same vein as Geocaching has, there are several truths that should be evident.

1... You MUST observe all local laws related to the location of your Waymark

2... You MUST obtain accurate latitude and longitude data with a GPS unit of your Waymark.

3... You MUST obtain a photograph taken by you at the location of your Waymark.

 

Yes, how very Asimov of me.

 

BQ

the blue quasar:

haunthunters:

If a waymarker doesn't have a camera, that's one thing, and we all know that sometimes typos happen with coordinates. I think we can all be lienent and understanding in those circumstances; but, to provide little to no information in the long description or to provide no images when you have a camera is just plain out lazy waymarking. Some people play for the numbers and the little ribbons on their profile, and all the more power to them if they think it means something. But, even though a number of waymarkers think lazy waymarking is disrespectful, unless a category specifically says more information must be written in the long description of new waymark submissions, there's no reason why someone can't be as lazy and half-effort as they want to be. Apparently, this is easier to do when you can approve your own half-effort waymarks.

 

PS: How did they even think the OP had a problem with the category or people with health problems? It was pretty clear what the jeering was for.

No camera?  Find one or get another hobby.  Not to put to fine a point on it but providing a photo that YOU TOOK YOURSELF and adding to the listing should be a requirement across all categories.  While I'm not saying that I'm in favour of a "Listing Guidelines" in the same vein as Geocaching has, there are several truths that should be evident.

1... You MUST observe all local laws related to the location of your Waymark

2... You MUST obtain accurate latitude and longitude data with a GPS unit of your Waymark.

3... You MUST obtain a photograph taken by you at the location of your Waymark.

 

Yes, how very Asimov of me.

 

BQ

I agree with BQ  on this.  This hobby requires two pieces of equipment, a camera and a gps. (can be one if you own a combination gps camera).  Both pieces can be obtained for under a $100 a piece.  A computer comes in handy too but if you like entering everything from a library then you don't need one of those

the blue quasar:

Yes, how very Asimov of me.

BQ

Yup, must be that positronic brain of yours. Now if you would only use it to design the flux capacitor...

team farkle 7:

the blue quasar:

Yes, how very Asimov of me.

BQ

Yup, must be that positronic brain of yours. Now if you would only use it to design the flux capacitor...

And the Oscillation Overthruster. Because there must be a ton of waymarkable things in the 8th Dimension and on Planet 10.