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opinionate:

Good point - I'll add this when I update the FAQ for the new update. And yes, archived waymarks will no longer show in the grid.

Whoa hold on there chief!  Let's say we are looking at the grid that shows both the Posted and Visited combined.  I have only two Visits in the US Post Office category.  Let's say that Rayman goes 'postal' and archives all of his Waymarks... I lose the icon in the grid because he did that?

That might be all fine and good for Ontario to New York... but if I go out to Washington and Visit one of Rose Red or Ambrosia's, or on my way to Disney World I stop and Visit some of Chapterhouseinc's in Georgia... and then they Archive their listing... it isn't fair that I lose the icon for a legitimate Visit log.

BQ

the blue quasar:

opinionate:

Good point - I'll add this when I update the FAQ for the new update. And yes, archived waymarks will no longer show in the grid.

Whoa hold on there chief!  Let's say we are looking at the grid that shows both the Posted and Visited combined.  I have only two Visits in the US Post Office category.  Let's say that Rayman goes 'postal' and archives all of his Waymarks... I lose the icon in the grid because he did that?

That might be all fine and good for Ontario to New York... but if I go out to Washington and Visit one of Rose Red or Ambrosia's, or on my way to Disney World I stop and Visit some of Chapterhouseinc's in Georgia... and then they Archive their listing... it isn't fair that I lose the icon for a legitimate Visit log.

BQ

From what I see now, they can't archive their listing once it has been approved, they can only make it so it is not visible.  Once a waymark has been approved (as long as it remains approved) it should be shown in the grid whether it is visible any more or not.  The same goes for any logs on an approved waymark, they should remain even if the waymark is not visible. I have a waymark which will make invisible soon because the odd-shaped building is being torn down. 

Logs on archived waymarks should disappear with the submission. Since  now the only time to archive a waymark is before it is approved or after it has been declined and any logs on that  waymark should disappear too. (Most likely in this case they are the submitters log which were done before the waymark was approved)

RE: The Wizard....

I've been adding new listings like a fiend all morning... and I must say that the Wizard is excellent!

It solves the issue when uploading photos and then deleted them if another Waymark was too close.  And being able to keep uploading images repeately is SO much better.

The only minor issue was that after you upload an image, and the screen refreshes it puts up the same text block twice about not needing to upload a photo... no big deal.


But I was able to churn out about 20 listings really fast.

Maybe I can actually get that backlog caught up LOL

Great job...

BQ

the blue quasar:

opinionate:

Good point - I'll add this when I update the FAQ for the new update. And yes, archived waymarks will no longer show in the grid.

Whoa hold on there chief!  Let's say we are looking at the grid that shows both the Posted and Visited combined.  I have only two Visits in the US Post Office category.  Let's say that Rayman goes 'postal' and archives all of his Waymarks... I lose the icon in the grid because he did that?

That might be all fine and good for Ontario to New York... but if I go out to Washington and Visit one of Rose Red or Ambrosia's, or on my way to Disney World I stop and Visit some of Chapterhouseinc's in Georgia... and then they Archive their listing... it isn't fair that I lose the icon for a legitimate Visit log.

BQ

Don't worry, we're still playing around with the grid and will do what we can to ensure that as many people as possible are happy with the results.  Here are our main objectives for it:

1. the rows need to be the same for everyone, so that everyone who references a square (e.g. M13- Megalithic Monuments) will be talking about the same category. 
2. No one has reason to complain because their grid results aren't displaying perfectly.

I think 2 will be our biggest challenge, but at the moment we're still working on making 1 work. There are certain behaviors on the site like premium-only categories (I don't know offhand if any of these even exist right now, but they could pose an issue), invisible categories, etc. that have been causing some people to see a different grid than others.  As soon as these issues are figured out, we'll work to make sure nothing else gets messed up.

Keep posting your ideas and issues, we're religiously reading this thread to make sure we've got everything covered.

Wow!  The grid is an awesome idea.  It makes it much easier to see what categories are available.  I also like the add photos section.  It keeps us from having to go back to the mark and then to click into another photo page (eliminates a step and web time).

I'm in love with that grid.

I've read peoples comments about the grid, the new 3-step process of getting the new waymarks posted, and a few other items. One item that has been noted in the past is still creating problems. When going from page to page of a list of waymarks, some waymarks are missed. As many as 2 or 3 are skipped, or not shown. I did a search for some waymarks that I visited. A Dog Park was the last item on the first page. A Painted Hydrant 20 feet away should have been the 1st item on the next page, but it wasn't listed. The first item on the second page was listed as an Independant Coffee House 1/4 mile away. When I did a search from a different waymark, the Dog Park and the coffee house were on the same page and the painted hydrant was between them. I have the same problem when I go through  pages of "My Waymarks" The problem always occures at the end/beginning of a page.

Just encountered this. There is no button to upload the icon logo when you create a new Category.  I am creating Highway Giant Mufflermen and began to upload a photo and no button.

http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/upload.aspx?f=1&guid=1d43e007-ef61-42a2-a790-460318f5ac50&lat=39.95155&lon=-75.163773&t=3&id=philadelphia%20pa&gid=6

There's also no upload button for the  "Upload New Avatar" page that's located within the "My Page" tab.  Only the browse button is there. 

hikenutty:

There's also no upload button for the  "Upload New Avatar" page that's located within the "My Page" tab.  Only the browse button is there. 

Sorry for the delay, the upload buttons are back now.

BruceS:

TheBeanTeam:

It might be that an explanation line is needed in the grid faq page so when people ask "How come my grid doesn't show in XYZ category, I posted one two years ago" they can be referred to the answer.

Does the grid operate the same way with archived waymarks? If I archived all my waymarks will my grid be empty?

One thing I noticed is that you can not archive a waymark once it has been approved.  You can only make it so it is not visible in the directory.  If you have a waymark that has not been approved you can still archive it.

Bumping this one a bit.  I had to make my first waymark "Not available in the directory" because the location got destroyed.  It comes out of my stats when I do this... is that by design?

opinionate:

TheBeanTeam:

About the grid. If I choose to ignore a certain category it would be nice if that box was x'ed out in the grid when I view it.

I'll see if I can get Koko to create a custom "ignore" icon for those categories. Maybe a monkey with his eyes closed and fingers in his ears.

I thought that Signal the Frog's sidekick "Spank" had been axed from the marketing strategy.  Perhaps I missed a memo.  If you are going to have monkeys then I respectfully re-submit my request to have an official Groundspeak hamster.

robert:

BruceS:

TheBeanTeam:

It might be that an explanation line is needed in the grid faq page so when people ask "How come my grid doesn't show in XYZ category, I posted one two years ago" they can be referred to the answer.

Does the grid operate the same way with archived waymarks? If I archived all my waymarks will my grid be empty?

One thing I noticed is that you can not archive a waymark once it has been approved.  You can only make it so it is not visible in the directory.  If you have a waymark that has not been approved you can still archive it.

Bumping this one a bit.  I had to make my first waymark "Not available in the directory" because the location got destroyed.  It comes out of my stats when I do this... is that by design?

We're fixing this, don't worry. When a waymark is archived it will be treated like geocaches: The stats remain in your profile but the waymark will not be visible in the search. The only difference will be that the waymark is locked from future logging.

opinionate:

We're fixing this, don't worry. When a waymark is archived it will be treated like geocaches: The stats remain in your profile but the waymark will not be visible in the search. The only difference will be that the waymark is locked from future logging.

That would be a most excellent enhancement, thanks.

Will you be keeping the option to make a waymark temporarily disappear from the directory?  I made use of that a few months ago, to hide my monuments and memorials waymarks for the duration of an offsite game sponsored by a commercial website.  I didn't like the idea of people visiting a veteran's memorial for the sole purpose of scoring points in a scavenger hunt for which a waymark in that category was a requirement.  But that is a very narrow, and hopefully rare, example.  When else would this option be used?

What I would really like to see is the equivalent of a "temporarily disabled" status for a geocache.  Keep the waymark visible, but change the color of its title and draw a line through it, add a flag, or whatever.  A current example is a big landscaping project going on right now in downtown Pittsburgh's largest park.  Five historic markers have been removed until the construction work is finished, and hopefully they'll be replaced at that time.  I would like to temporarily disable the waymarks for these markers so that nobody tries to visit them, only to score a "DNV" (Did Not Visit).  But I'd like to post an explanation, and to not have them disappear, because these waymarks have been visited by others who may wish to review their past travels.

the leprechauns:

What I would really like to see is the equivalent of a "temporarily disabled" status for a geocache.  Keep the waymark visible, but change the color of its title and draw a line through it, add a flag, or whatever.

That would be a good idea for the reason you mentioned. Another example I can think of would be a seasonal waymark (like a spring run-off waterfall) in the off season. In addition to warning people that it is not a good time to seek it, it would also prevent someone from submitting the same waymark because they didn't see it in the directory. I'll talk with Sean about this.

In Mac OS 10.2.8 with Safari 1.0.3 as well as I.E. 5.2, I am unable to get the State Pulldown menu to give me a list of states after selecting the United States as the country. This option seems to work fine in OS 10.4.2 with Safari 2.0.1. Anyone else having this issue?

opinionate:

We're fixing this, don't worry. When a waymark is archived it will be treated like geocaches: The stats remain in your profile but the waymark will not be visible in the search. The only difference will be that the waymark is locked from future logging.

I'm truly sorry to have to ask this....

What happens if someone is on vacation and wants to record a "Visit" when they get home, only to discover that the listing has changed status while they were away?

But as I like to offer suggestions... no really I do....

What if you "Date/Time Stamp" the archive and that is when the lock takes effect?  No, that won't work cause people will just 'retro-log' to claim the Visit.

Okay, I'm gonna go with... it's rare that it will happen and if it does, oh well.   It's unfortunate, but it happens.

When this does happen, and it will, there will be a thread about it... hopefully we all agree on a solution.

BQ

the blue quasar:

opinionate:

We're fixing this, don't worry. When a waymark is archived it will be treated like geocaches: The stats remain in your profile but the waymark will not be visible in the search. The only difference will be that the waymark is locked from future logging.

I'm truly sorry to have to ask this....

What happens if someone is on vacation and wants to record a "Visit" when they get home, only to discover that the listing has changed status while they were away?

But as I like to offer suggestions... no really I do....

What if you "Date/Time Stamp" the archive and that is when the lock takes effect?  No, that won't work cause people will just 'retro-log' to claim the Visit.

Okay, I'm gonna go with... it's rare that it will happen and if it does, oh well.   It's unfortunate, but it happens.

When this does happen, and it will, there will be a thread about it... hopefully we all agree on a solution.

BQ

I lied (oops). Archived waymarks can be logged. It's the Group's job of managing waymarks and logs so we'll leave the policing up to them.

I've updated the site to stop this from happening.  Now if you post a log to waymark, it remains with your counts forever, even if the waymark is archived.  Also, if a waymark has been approved and then subsequently archived, you will retain your waymark posted count numbers.  If the waymark is never approved, it obviously won't be counted if it is archived.

Question

What happens if 9 months after a waymark was approved when new officers take over the waymark becomes declined. ( With no explanation forthcoming)  This just happened to me on a waymark I submitted last May, I of course had a visit for my waymark, fortunately that was the only visit; but what if others had visited in the mean time.  The waymark is not archived it now is declined.  Will these appear on the grid or not? And I am sure as we move forward this will happen to more and more people and what happens to their visits.  IT would be extremly unfair if the lose the visit because the new officers 9 months later feel the waymark does not meet their standards.

chstress53:

Question

What happens if 9 months after a waymark was approved when new officers take over the waymark becomes declined. ( With no explanation forthcoming)  This just happened to me on a waymark I submitted last May, I of course had a visit for my waymark, fortunately that was the only visit; but what if others had visited in the mean time.  The waymark is not archived it now is declined.  Will these appear on the grid or not? And I am sure as we move forward this will happen to more and more people and what happens to their visits.  IT would be extremly unfair if the lose the visit because the new officers 9 months later feel the waymark does not meet their standards.

I think I know the listing you are referring to.  If it is the one I'm thinking of, it was pointed out since a new listing similar to it was declined and it was thrown back at us...  but I don't think it was yours that was reversed.

This question could be the start of a very divided arguement, since the same thing has been happening on EarthCaches.  Listings that were acceptable at one time now do not meet the requirements and are being Archived.

Personally I prefer... "Once Accepted, only the Leader can override... and has one week to do so"

BQ

BQ

I think I also now the one you are referring too, but the one I am talking about is definetly mine. I submittedand it was approved back in May of last year; and was just declined today.   I am aware that the officer group has radically changed group members, I never got an email but they ha ve now posted for additional officers, I just joined as a regular member so that I could read the comments of the decline, ( I have read them it was a group decision and I never received the emails from them, they say it was in their que for months waiting for approval but on my page it was showing approved, This all happened I think when adoption of categories was happpening.  I now think it was set on auto approve and it somehow still showed in their que.  They had tightened up on the criteria so it was declined, my question still is that it was approved if others had made visits, the visit would now be not on the grid, as it was never archived just not approved (NOW) This can conceivably happen to anyone if management changes things and declines previously approved waymarks.

 

We definetly need to have this corrected in some way, as it has the potential of upsetting people who have taken the time to visit a posted waymark, only to have it declined at a later date.  And currently declineds do not show on the grid.  I know as mine is gone.

I do not wish to name the Category to upset the current officers.  Not really a big deal to me, but I am aware that others would be extremly upset if they lose a visit that they went out of their way to visit the posted waymark, only to have it disappear almost a year later. 

Well that is why I am suggesting that a time limit to 're-evaluate a listing' of one week should be imposed, just like there is a one hour limit to edit a log entry.

I also think that only the Leader, and maybe the person that accepted the listing, or possibly a higher ranking Officer should be allowed to change the Accepted/Declined status.

As it stands now, when another Officer Accepts a listing that in my mind should be declined I don't override unless it is a blatant error AND I am the Leader.

BQ

chstress53:

We definetly need to have this corrected in some way, as it has the potential of upsetting people who have taken the time to visit a posted waymark, only to have it declined at a later date.  And currently declineds do not show on the grid.  I know as mine is gone.

I do not wish to name the Category to upset the current officers.  Not really a big deal to me, but I am aware that others would be extremly upset if they lose a visit that they went out of their way to visit the posted waymark, only to have it disappear almost a year later. 

I think something needs to be worked out on visits and also the counting of submissions for waymarks which for whatever reason they are later made not visible.  I have two waymarks which I have made not visible or make not visible shortly. One of these waymarks has been visited but the visit will not be credited once I make the waymark not visible.  The first one I marked as not visible is one for a American Revolutionary War veterans grave.   The grave has a DAR marker for a Revolutionary War Veterans grave but through correspondence with decendants I have found that he was not born until about 1782 thus would have been too young to be a veteran, his father was a veteran.  Thus I made the waymark not visible.  This waymark did not have any visitors so no problem.   The family is doing some further research and will let me know the status. If the dates are confirmed I will have this one archived.

The the other is for an odd-shaped building.  It is currently being torn down and I will confirm its status  on Wednesday when I drive by its location.  This one has been visited and the building was definitely odd-shaped.  This one should remain in the counts and on the grid for visitors and the submitter once I make it not visible.

I've just noticed percentages in the main page's directory. I'm sure these weren't here earlier this week. What do they represent?

I am not seeing any percentages on either the "Home" page or the "Directory" page.

Please explain further where you are seeing them.