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Grumble, grumble... inconsistent approvals

Last post 06-17-2009, 7:01 AM by cldisme. 4 replies.
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  •  06-16-2009, 2:00 PM 23419

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    Grumble, grumble... inconsistent approvals

    I just discovered a declined waymark I submitted has since been approved by a different waymarker.

    As far as I can tell the requirements have not changed.

    It is stuff like this that makes me stop waymarking for a month or two.  Then the bug bites me again and I am compelled to share what I see in the world with the rest of you.

  •  06-16-2009, 2:36 PM 23420 in reply to 23419

    Re: Grumble, grumble... inconsistent approvals

    I had a border crossing denied and even disputed it because of the way the category was written. Then the same location was submitted and approved by another waymarker a few months later. I thought of causing a stink, but realized that the parties involved in the 1st case were probably different parties for the 2nd, and the waymarker who submitted it also had no idea.

    I agree the inconsistency can be frustrating, and goes to show you need clearly written categories.  Easier said than done though.
  •  06-17-2009, 6:45 AM 23423 in reply to 23419

    Re: Grumble, grumble... inconsistent approvals

    A discussion was just had very recently about changing the format. These changes do not happen overnight. At this point in time, they probably haven't even decided exactly how they're going to change the format, let alone started working on the programming for it. And then what other issues get delayed and shoved to the side if this issue is put as a top priority? Is it really a top priority when the current format does work, just not as well as we'd like? Please be realistic.
  •  06-17-2009, 6:55 AM 23426 in reply to 23419

    Re: Grumble, grumble... inconsistent approvals

    This is not surprising, and it's not that uncommon.

    There are multiple reasons for this.

    1). Heading the list is subjective criteria.  I've harped on this enough, and I think we understand that it is hard to keep a category totally objective.  But, it inevitably leads to this type of inconsistency as differnt people apply their own judgments.

    2). Unclear or ambiguous descriptions/posting requirements.  Some categories that come up for peer review suffer from this, but there are existing categories that still leave one wondering exactly what is or isn't accepted.  If the guidelines are unclear to the waymarking, they may also be unclear to the group officers who are reviewing the waymarks!

    3). Different philosophies among the officers.  Ideally the group leader should set the standards for evaluating waymarks.  Unfortunately, many categories lack a true leader, either through attrition or intention  -  or neglect.  So, everyone feels free to apply his/her own standards and interpretation, or just personal preferences, when reviewing waymarks.  Some tend to be generous in accepting waymarks, while others are strict, or even nit picking.   As long as we have group management, there will be inconsistencies in the review process, despite our best efforts.

    4). Bad day at the office.  Let's face it, if the reviewing officer is stressed out, rushed, or otherwise impaired, there may be inconsistencies even with the same officer's reviews.  It can work the otherway, too, when one is in a good mood and everything, even a bad waymark, looks rosy.

    5). Mistakes.  Sometimes a reviewer just may miss something, interpret someting wrong, or missapply a category requirement.  I've sure done this a few times.  Usually a nice note on resubmission pointing out my error does the trick.

    No one likes haveing a waymark declined, and I think most people who review waymarks don't like declining them.  I've had my share of declined waymarks - often with good reasons (I've done some really dumb things on waymarks).  Still, there are those that could, and maybe should, be disputed.  I recently had a waymark accepted, and then a few days later declined by another officer who misinterpreted the waymark which fully met all of the requirements.  I was upset, and he was upset that I was upset, and so . . .   Well, we'll just have to allow for the fallible human element, won't we?

    Sure understand how you feel, though.

  •  06-17-2009, 7:01 AM 23427 in reply to 23426

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    Re: Grumble, grumble... inconsistent approvals

    To counter the "different approver" theory, I contested my declined waymark by asking for a vote because there were similar (almost exact) approved waymarks in the category already.  I wasn't starting a precedence, I was only asking for consistency in approvals.

    Obviously, the vote did not go my way.  Basically I was told those were mistakes and they will never happen again.

    Harumph!

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