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Hi - rather new to Waymarking although I've been geocaching for around a year and half.  I have to say sometimes the number of categories is a bit overwhelming.

I'd like to submit a Waymark for a little known, out-of-the-way memorial, however, I'm not quite sure what category to put it in.  It's for a fishing village that used to exist on Terminal Island in Los Angeles harbor; during WWII nearly all of the residents were interned and the village was gone a few months later.  I don't think it quite fits under WWII POW camps, because it wasn't an internment camp.  It's called a memorial, but a memorial of a village, not specific people.  There is a statue of fishermen there, so I suppose I could list it under figurative sculpture, but is there something more fitting?  There was a category for tragic occurences, but they all seem to involve murders or terrible accidents.  Is there anything for memorials of places that I'm missing?

Thanks.

Welcome to Waymarking! It is an enjoyable past-time and a great compliment to Geocaching. Yes, the categories can be overwhelming at first, but like anything just take babysteps in the beginning. Maybe choose a category that interests you and see if there is anything close to where you live.

For the fishing village memorial, you may want to check if its on the National Register of Historic Places. Based on this website http://www.nps.gov/history/history/online_books/5views/5views4h87.htm it looks like Terminal Island is part of the National Park Service, so they may have a passport cancellation station you could waymark.  Sorry, back to the statue... it could possibly go under occupational monuments like this one http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM4H6D_San_Pedro_Fishermens_Memorial, maybe "there's a book about it" (the book from the NPS) or maybe it was mentioned in the "american guide series". The Signs of History category might also take it. You could likely cross-post it under a statue/sculpture category at the very least.

Hopefully that didn't make you even more confused. :-) Maybe you could post a like to the picture/plaque and we can help narrow it down for you. For others lurking, is there another category I'm forgetting?

You could add this one to ghost towns.  My entry to ghost towns was another community that was cleared out during World War II for a different reason.  Mine was a memorial to the town also.  Also if there is a memorial plaque to fisherman with that statue of the fisherman then it could be placed in the occupational monuments.

@ dopeyduck - Thanks, here's a little background on the place: 

http://www.californiajapantowns.org/terminalisland.html

There's a picture of the statue on that page.

I'll check, but the memorial was only placed there in 2002, so I don't think it would be in the National Register of Historic Places.

@ BruceS - Thanks, can it be a ghost town if there's nothing left of it?  Actually, looking at the webpage I posted above, some buildings nearby are actually a part of it, maybe a separate waymark?  Funny, there's a restaurant  there, I've eaten at occasionally - I'm the only one of my coworkers that will.  Everyone else is afraid to, for some reason...

The monument should work under occupational monuments. Try that one first.

It looks like there were schools and churches there too. I think some of those categories (i.e. Former Schools) allow locations where the building no longer stands. If the Shinto Shrine or the Torii gate is still standing, it might work under Outdoor Altars, but I'm not very familiar with that category.

Hi & welcome,

You could also submit it to World War II Sites. http://www.waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=2597eaed-763d-49b7-952f-b750e4188e1c . This would be the most appropriate category for your find, IMHO, but the others suggested would also be okay too. Ask any of us, we love cross-posting. I think BruceS still has the record of 15 categories for one location. Is that correct Bruce?

senoritafish:

@ BruceS - Thanks, can it be a ghost town if there's nothing left of it?  Actually, looking at the webpage I posted above, some buildings nearby are actually a part of it, maybe a separate waymark?  Funny, there's a restaurant  there, I've eaten at occasionally - I'm the only one of my coworkers that will.  Everyone else is afraid to, for some reason...

Yes, if all that is left is a memorial to the town it can be listed.  My listing in the ghost town category is just a memorial that lists the three downs which were bought out by the government to make a TNT plant for WW II.

The above suggestions are excellent and I will add more fuel to the fire.

Depending on the text, it might fit in the Disaster Memorials as a Sociological Disaster if its demise can be directly attributed to abandonment due to the internment camps and if there is text that states "In Memory of..." or similar. 

If the text simply states "Terminal Island Japanese Community used to be here" then it we would consider it a historical marker and should be submitted to the Signs of History Category for consideration (who may or may not accept it based on their criteria).

As an officer in the Ghost Towns category I can say that I feel it would be appropriate for the category given the history.

The WWII category that TF7 mentioned is a perfect cat for it as well.

dopeyduck:

If the Shinto Shrine or the Torii gate is still standing, it might work under Outdoor Altars...

There is a Torii Gate as part of the monument; it's not original but is modeled after the one at the shrine that used to be there.  Whether the monument itself is used as a place of worship I have no idea.  I had never even seen anyone else visit it until I went to check my coordinates last Sunday and there were two families visiting.

Thanks everyone for all your suggestions, I'll get to work on them.

Now I have another question - if one place is listed under several waymarks, what's the rule for visiting them? If you visit one, can you list a visit under all of the categories? 

Yep, a place/item can be waymarked under multiple categories (cross-posting), and a visitor can also visit all of those stacked WM's.  Also, you can visit the Seattle Space Needle today and log everything, then check the website a year later and log any new cross-postings.

I have found a bust of Andrew Carnegie and I cannot figure out where to list it.

The "Statues of a Famous Person" doesn't list that they will accept busts, only statues. They might, but it's unclear.

There also doesn't appear to be a category for Busts, I actually have a few that I would like to submit, like one of Laura Secord.... if only I knew where.

Help?

BQ

the blue quasar:

I have found a bust of Andrew Carnegie and I cannot figure out where to list it. The "Statues of a Famous Person" doesn't list that they will accept busts, only statues. They might, but it's unclear. There also doesn't appear to be a category for Busts, I actually have a few that I would like to submit, like one of Laura Secord.... if only I knew where. Help? BQ

The Statues of Historic Figures does accept busts.  There are several in the category.

yea, GTus had some in the UCM que a while back....when i asked about them, she said thats where they went....

maybe someone should 'suggest an edit' to the category, removing the false information....
i pightve added some along the way myself...

Any ideas where this might go?

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM8EW9_Bellevue_Toll_Bridge_Bellevue_Nebraska

It's an old Toll Building but it doesn't qualify as a Bygone Toll House, because it's not bygonne, and it's not a house.

It was a very interesting spot, and I'd be happy to change the category if there was a place to put it.

I had a couple from my last trip that I'm not sure where to put them.

1. Memorial to the Ten-Day War for Slovenias independence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War



2. A new bridge. Very artistic, but doesn't fit in any of the Bridge categories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butchers%27_Bridge



3. Several "shrines" small religous building that you can't go in, but it houses a sculpture and people light candles in front of them.

Any ideas?

gt.us:

1. Memorial to the Ten-Day War for Slovenias independence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War

Signs of History?

gt.us:

2. A new bridge. Very artistic, but doesn't fit in any of the Bridge categories. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butchers%27_Bridge

No idea about the bridge, but there are sculptures on it that could be posted individually, if you have pictures of them.

gt.us:

3. Several "shrines" small religous building that you can't go in, but it houses a sculpture and people light candles in front of them.

Outdoor Stations of the Cross?
Waychapels?

fi67:

gt.us:

3. Several "shrines" small religous building that you can't go in, but it houses a sculpture and people light candles in front of them.

Outdoor Stations of the Cross?
Waychapels?

The outdoor stations of the cross is a set of 14 pictures or sculptures that depict the events surrounding the crusifixion of Jesus. It is a very specific thing mostly found at Catholic Churches and Cemeteries.

Waychapel was what I was thinking when I took the pictures. It seems from the description that a waychapel needs to be someplace you can go inside, though.

gt.us:

fi67:

gt.us:

3. Several "shrines" small religous building that you can't go in, but it houses a sculpture and people light candles in front of them.

Outdoor Stations of the Cross?
Waychapels?

The outdoor stations of the cross is a set of 14 pictures or sculptures that depict the events surrounding the crusifixion of Jesus. It is a very specific thing mostly found at Catholic Churches and Cemeteries. Waychapel was what I was thinking when I took the pictures. It seems from the description that a waychapel needs to be someplace you can go inside, though.

You are right, but at least around here, the stations are usually quite far away from each other so you cannot see the other 13, and very often along a way up to a hill, sometimes with stairways. It's just the statue that does not seem to match, but it still could be a station 4.

Waychapels is the better choice, anyway. Have a look at some of the accepted waymarks there. Many of them are very similar to yours, some even smaller. I am sure this will be accepted.

gt.us:

.  3. Several "shrines" small religous building that you can't go in, but it houses a sculpture and people light candles in front of them.  Any ideas?

Do some of them have an altar?  If so then outdoor altars is a category.  From that category description, "Outdoor Altars are permanent structures made of wood, metal or stone that are positioned outdoors for the purpose of worshipping outdoors."