Groundspeak Portal

clarification:

i did not think this would be a harmful edit. and i DO NOT want to set precidence about editing names because you do not like it.

naming conventions is a reason i do not post to some categories (the officers would change it behind your back)--what difference if 'Wendy's' is the first word in the waymark name?

I have a choice to not post in those. I do not have a choice in someone suggesting naming edits.
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no, it looks as if everything but the gallery is open for editing.

but wait, has anyone thought of that? can i suggest that pics be deleted out of the gallery? (or just do it if i have access?)

chapterhouseinc:

clarification: i did not think this would be a harmful edit. and i DO NOT want to set precidence about editing names because you do not like it. naming conventions is a reason i do not post to some categories (the officers would change it behind your back)--what difference if 'Wendy's' is the first word in the waymark name? I have a choice to not post in those. I do not have a choice in someone suggesting naming edits. ----- no, it looks as if everything but the gallery is open for editing. but wait, has anyone thought of that? can i suggest that pics be deleted out of the gallery? (or just do it if i have access?)

By what I saw, you can't delete a photo.

OK this is complicated but if you are in the post a waymark page and you begin to select subcategories I found at least one issue.

If you drill down starting with Buildings the next list gives you an option for converted train stations.

Then you can select the category. To my knowlede there is no category for "converted train stations".

I even when searching for one thinking maybe there was one I didn't know about but I couldn't find it.

Is this an error? Wonder if there are others.

Edit to add that the subcategory Yard Art Silhouettes subcategory in the Art/Music section is another that doesn't appear to exist.

how about this that has bugged me for some time.

i submit a waymark in a category that requires a pic (really, how many other than off leash areas do not need a pic to approve a waymark).

on the upload a pic screen it says:
"You are not required to upload an image at this time. However, many category management groups do require you to upload a photo for the waymarks submitted to their category. Be sure to check the posting instructions above before you submit your waymark for review."
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why can't this be taylored to the category's requirements? display the photo requirement field from the description here.

and, in the past, have had mank issues with this page. when an error occurs, or on subsiquent uploads i have seen this paragraph repeated up to 3 times on the spage about the upload pic box....

opinionate:

• Ajax added for country/state on waymark entry. This prevents the page from refreshing when selecting the dropdown


• Entering coordinates in the location search field on the main page will not automatically initiate a search, allowing you to also enter a keyword

United States is the default, can this be 'sticky', for those in other places? maybe the location of my home coords, then 'sticky' for the remainer of my session.

edit: the no refresh is a welcome sight. thanks.
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searching from coords:
-historically a 'carriage return' was not functional in the tab. you must 'tab' down to the 'submit button' of use the mouse to click it.

-now, you must 'tab' or 'click', THEN click again.

can this be corrected for me to enter coords, 'carriage return' (to submit coords), and 'carriage return' again to sumbit the submitted coords?

why must the default search be 'advanced'?

opinionate:

ODragon:

chapterhouseinc:

i did not recieve 4 conformation notes.... and in posting an uncategorized waymark: the red text says 'You must continue selecting categories until you reach the deepest subcategory.' is this exactly the opposite of an uncategorized mark? there is no category for it.

I can confirm that I didn't get 2 conformation notes and 1 listed note.

Checking into this, thanks O and chapterhouseinc.

Edit: Actually, this one was easy. The newsletter is going out right now to everyone in the Groundspeak universe. Once the queue is clear those emails should show up.

As it turns out, emails were not on after all. They are back on and 200 emails have been resent.

opinionate:

Bruce discovered an issue with waymark edits that we're looking at. Apparently if a required variable is created for a category *after* it has already accepted some waymarks, those waymarks will not let you edit them without including the required information. We're discussing ways around this now.

This is partially fixed. There is still an issue with the coordinate variable causing a weird rounding error when attempting to edit a waymark. As a result the page thinks you have changed the coordinates and will ask you to post a note explaining why. Sean is tracking it down.

TheBeanTeam:

OK this is complicated but if you are in the post a waymark page and you begin to select subcategories I found at least one issue.

If you drill down starting with Buildings the next list gives you an option for converted train stations.

Then you can select the category. To my knowlede there is no category for "converted train stations".

I even when searching for one thinking maybe there was one I didn't know about but I couldn't find it.

Is this an error? Wonder if there are others.

Edit to add that the subcategory Yard Art Silhouettes subcategory in the Art/Music section is another that doesn't appear to exist.

Interesting. We'll investigate, thanks!

saopaulo1:

A glitch: I'm getting a runtime error when I click the Log It button. From the list of waymarks.

Also I'm not getting any email for visits or approvals.

These are both now fixed.

Why did the term change from approve to publish when it comes to waymarks?

i am still missing notifications....

i know i submitted several before i got the first one.

none prior to the 'fix' were recieved.

i know i submitted a few, and it looks as if several got approved.

come to think of it, im missing a few more conformations since...

chapterhouseinc:

clarification:

i did not think this would be a harmful edit. and i DO NOT want to set precidence about editing names because you do not like it.

naming conventions is a reason i do not post to some categories (the officers would change it behind your back)--what difference if 'Wendy's' is the first word in the waymark name?

I have a choice to not post in those. I do not have a choice in someone suggesting naming edits.
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no, it looks as if everything but the gallery is open for editing.

but wait, has anyone thought of that? can i suggest that pics be deleted out of the gallery? (or just do it if i have access?)

BOLD by me... yeah, this annoys me greatly. I have all of my waymarks prefaced with the category name. "Wendy's - 100 Main St, Anytown USA" because when I get there with my GPS then I will know what I'm looking for

BQ

saopaulo1:

Why did the term change from approve to publish when it comes to waymarks?

I think it changed from "accept" to "publish". These are listings, they are published. I believe the use of the word "approved" was removed from geocaching as it implied that Groundspeak was acting in a role beyond being just a listing service. It would make sense to do the same here, especially if there are legal reasons.

The review page still says "Accept" or "Decline"

BQ

opinionate:

As it turns out, emails were not on after all. They are back on and 200 emails have been resent.

Thanks for looking into this Nate. However I still haven't received my approval notices from when you approved my slew of NPS Passport Cancellations. No big deal really, just thought I'd point it out.

Got up this morning in the eastern hemisphere to find this mess.

As I think first impressions are important, here are mine, keeping in mind that I'm just looking at the car and kicking the tires, but yet to take it for a test drive.

The first thing I look at in the morning is my revue queue.

This is horrible.  The waymarks seem to be randomly placed - not by submission date, not grouped by category (which is the previous way).  I guess I prefer having them grouped by category because that makes it easier to review similar waymarks together.  There might be some rationale for grouping by date, but that seems not to be the case.

Then, EVERY waymark is prefaced by either [new waymark] or [edited waymark]  This is visually distracting and just clutter, making it more difficult to scan down the list of waymarks, because that tag is the first thing the eyes focus on and one has to scan over to see the title.

Options for that:  Use a small icon to indicate status.  And, tag ONLY edited waymarks, since there are fewer of them, and it would actually be easier to distingush them, maybe by the little yellow triangle or something.

Reviewing "Edited Waymarks":  This is, as I suspected, a royal pain!  Instead of looking at the waymark as a whole, I know have to click on every item that has been changed, then find the box to approve the entire waymark again!! 

There also seem to be some anomalies, such as a tag that says "Nothing Changed" but yet it has to be approved as if there is a change.

And, in my opinion, the identity of the person making the editing changes shouls be clear.  Is this the original creator of the waymark?  An officer of the category?  Some random individual?   Thes might have a bearing on how I evaulate these changes.  The source of them is one factor,

From a waymark creation standpoint, again just at first blush:

The new format is cluttered and confusing!  Why should there be field edit boxes for every item when creating a new waymark??  Shouldn't these show up only when editing a waymark that has already been submitted and approved?

The horizontal rules are just clutter as far as I'm concerned and the appearnce is less clean for data entry.

Questions:

If I edit one of my own waymarks, does it get sent for review again?  This appears not to be the case since I did try this.  But, the "Reason for Changes" boxes still show up, when actually none is required, it seems, when editing one's own wayark.

When reviewing waymarks, it is not uncommon for me to make minor edits for format, a simple typo, etc.  If I do this now, will the waymark go back into the queue for another review, item by item?  I guess I'll get my answer when I try, but if this is what happens . . . .   well, no comment yet, so I'll leave that to your imagination at this point.

Just initially looking at the generic waymarking option - having to click through progessively deeper sub menus is a real pain!  How does one know how deep a particular line will go?  It may be two or three or four levels deep.  And, what's on the next level?  Can't tell without going there.  Then there seems to be no way to go back up if one desides he's gone down the wrong branch of the tree.

Anyway, I don't want to be to negative without more experience, but my first impression is NOT very positive . . . .

Rayman:

opinionate:

As it turns out, emails were not on after all. They are back on and 200 emails have been resent.

Thanks for looking into this Nate. However I still haven't received my approval notices from when you approved my slew of NPS Passport Cancellations. No big deal really, just thought I'd point it out.

I got my emails, but they stopped after my Groundspeak Update. Now I checked my queue and there were new waymarks I didn't get notifications for.

opinionate:

Bruce discovered an issue with waymark edits that we're looking at. Apparently if a required variable is created for a category *after* it has already accepted some waymarks, those waymarks will not let you edit them without including the required information. We're discussing ways around this now.

Actually, this has been like that for a while. When the address variable became mandatory in the Quonset Hut category, I noticed it then. I probably should have said something then, huh? Instead, I begged for editing permission with the category, changed it back to optional and added a couple new variables. Then went through each waymark and added what info to those that I could. Figured what the hey, a third of them were mine anyways...

but my thinking is that the coords take you to the parking lot of a wendys, it must be a wendys.

my preferance is 'Street - Wendys (or Burger King, or whatever) - City'.....i wasnt picking on Wendys, it was just the first one into my head. i would rather place more importance what street i am supposed to be on.

however, i would like to point out that my edit was minor (California to CA),

and clarify that BK was the place that edited after approval (wendys stopped approving them).

and since marks are no longer invisible, my last BK post was reedited to my 'preferance' and made invisible so that the officers wouldnt know it was there to change it back.

but then what if us people in the border corssings take it upon ourself to change some names to reflect both sides of the border? (not that i think any of your fall into this category)

mine didnt start till the update...then i got a few...and no more....

and i saw a ghost sogn that was approved shortly after the update (opinionate?).

and possible SQ has been reviewing some of my marks and i have no new notes.

some good points SQ, and i look forward to more you might offer.....

i will also mention that several of them have already been mentioned perviously in the conversation.....

and sucks to be you, they arent at work anymore to fix things you find.....

tomorrow, its only a day a way......

Do I have to put something in each of the Reason fields for a new waymark?  I put "new post" in each one just now, but I can picture that getting old.  Could you default it to say "New Post" if that's what's happening?  Low priority request.

Meanwhile, I like this:
"This waymark is presently missing some important information. During your visit to this waymark, were you able to determine the answers to any of the following variables?"

That's cool.

Okay, I did a very minor edit to a waymark I had just approved, and they were accepted as before.  I did NOT put anything in the "reason" field.  I also edited a variable field, whch does NOT ask for a reason.

So, If I understand correctly, waymark "creators" can edit their own waymarks, and category officers can edit waymarks within that category without requiring further approval.

Still confusing to hae those edit field popping up if they are not required.
And, is it correct that no reason need be given to edit a variable field?
Do edited variable fields need to be reviewed?
 

silverquill:

The waymarks seem to be randomly placed - not by submission date, not grouped by category (which is the previous way).  I guess I prefer having them grouped by category because that makes it easier to review similar waymarks together.  There might be some rationale for grouping by date, but that seems not to be the case.

Frankly, this may just be an oversight on my part. I will take a look at this tomorrow and we'll make a decision about this. I suspect it won't be a big deal to fix this.

silverquill:

Then, EVERY waymark is prefaced by either [new waymark] or [edited waymark]  This is visually distracting and just clutter, making it more difficult to scan down the list of waymarks, because that tag is the first thing the eyes focus on and one has to scan over to see the title.

Options for that:  Use a small icon to indicate status.  And, tag ONLY edited waymarks, since there are fewer of them, and it would actually be easier to distingush them, maybe by the little yellow triangle or something.

I like this idea, and will see what I can come up with in the next week. It won't be difficult to change if this is what we decide to do. But we did think it was important to distinguish between the types of edits, and prioritized the new waymark approvals ahead of the edited waymarks.

silverquill:

Reviewing "Edited Waymarks":  This is, as I suspected, a royal pain!  Instead of looking at the waymark as a whole, I know have to click on every item that has been changed, then find the box to approve the entire waymark again!! 

There also seem to be some anomalies, such as a tag that says "Nothing Changed" but yet it has to be approved as if there is a change.

We have discovered a few anomalies and are working to fix those. And while I can sympathize with your increased workload, I think it does need to be noted that you are not a normal waymarker. You are an absolute superstar reviewer and have by far the most categories to manage of anyone. So it might be a teeny bit unfair of you to suggest that the entire situation is messed up because of how these new changes affect your unique situation. That being said, I think it is very important for us to take your situation into consideration...we will try in the next few weeks to come up with some solutions to make your life easier. Sorry to drop such an additional load on you.

silverquill:

And, in my opinion, the identity of the person making the editing changes shouls be clear.  Is this the original creator of the waymark?  An officer of the category?  Some random individual?   Thes might have a bearing on how I evaulate these changes.  The source of them is one factor,

I agree with this. We should have shown the identity of the editing party (I think we didn't realize that we were displaying the waymark owner's name, not the editor's name). We will fix this this coming week.

silverquill:

The new format is cluttered and confusing!  Why should there be field edit boxes for every item when creating a new waymark??  Shouldn't these show up only when editing a waymark that has already been submitted and approved?

If I am not mistaken, these edit boxes do not show up when you create a new waymark. Only for editing waymarks. We figured that in a vast majority of edit cases there would be one or two edits to make. We don't want people to completely rennovate waymarks, we want spelling, punctuation, factual and formatting errors to be corrected. If you are having to fill out too many of these edit fields at once, you may be doing too much.

silverquill:

The horizontal rules are just clutter as far as I'm concerned and the appearnce is less clean for data entry.

Noted.

silverquill:

Questions:

If I edit one of my own waymarks, does it get sent for review again?  This appears not to be the case since I did try this.  But, the "Reason for Changes" boxes still show up, when actually none is required, it seems, when editing one's own wayark.

No, you can edit your own waymark without a review.

silverquill:

When reviewing waymarks, it is not uncommon for me to make minor edits for format, a simple typo, etc.  If I do this now, will the waymark go back into the queue for another review, item by item?  I guess I'll get my answer when I try, but if this is what happens . . . .   well, no comment yet, so I'll leave that to your imagination at this point.

The answer is no.

silverquill:

Just initially looking at the generic waymarking option - having to click through progessively deeper sub menus is a real pain!  How does one know how deep a particular line will go?  It may be two or three or four levels deep.  And, what's on the next level?  Can't tell without going there.  Then there seems to be no way to go back up if one desides he's gone down the wrong branch of the tree.

You can still post waymarks exactly as you used to, by visiting the category first. We will look into better ways to drill down into the user categories for future updates. We are certainly open to your ideas about this as well.

silverquill:

Anyway, I don't want to be to negative without more experience, but my first impression is NOT very positive . . . .

Fair enough. This was a big update with a lot of new ideas for the community to swallow. We will take all of your suggestions/complaints into account and will do our best to come up with solutions that will make you happy. Thank you for taking the time to write this all out for us.

Bootron

silverquill:

Okay, I did a very minor edit to a waymark I had just approved, and they were accepted as before.  I did NOT put anything in the "reason" field.  I also edited a variable field, whch does NOT ask for a reason.

So, If I understand correctly, waymark "creators" can edit their own waymarks, and category officers can edit waymarks within that category without requiring further approval.

This is correct.

silverquill:

Still confusing to hae those edit field popping up if they are not required.
And, is it correct that no reason need be given to edit a variable field?
Do edited variable fields need to be reviewed?

Edit boxes should not pop up for you when you are editing your own waymark. If they do, you have discovered a bug. Edited variable fields only need to be reviewed if someone who is not the waymark owner or one of the category managers edits the waymark.

saopaulo1:

I got my emails, but they stopped after my Groundspeak Update. Now I checked my queue and there were new waymarks I didn't get notifications for.

I accidentally introduced the email problem back into the mix when I pushed the hotfix. Was in too much of a hurry I guess. It should be fixed now. Sorry.