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team farkle 7:

biosearch:

So we're decided then? Now all I need are some officers, right? Then I can creat a group, no? Anyone interested in officership?

Late in chiming in...

I got a question. Would Blaschka Glass Models of Plants count?

A Botanical Museum collection presented by the Harvard Museum of Natural History

This unique collection of over 3,000 models was created by the glass artisans, Leopold Blaschka and his son, Rudolph. The commission began in 1886, continued for five decades, and represents more than 830 plant species.

http://www.hmnh.harvard.edu/exhibitions/glassflowers.html

Short answer, No. Long answer, an herbarium by definition is a collection of dried plant specimens usually mounted and systematically arranged for reference. What you are looking at is an art museum. Herbaria will be listed in the Index Herbarioium. I do not think that there is an herbarium that is not listed.

team farkle 7:

biosearch:

So we're decided then? Now all I need are some officers, right? Then I can creat a group, no? Anyone interested in officership?

Late in chiming in...

I got a question. Would Blaschka Glass Models of Plants count?

A Botanical Museum collection presented by the Harvard Museum of Natural History

This unique collection of over 3,000 models was created by the glass artisans, Leopold Blaschka and his son, Rudolph. The commission began in 1886, continued for five decades, and represents more than 830 plant species.

http://www.hmnh.harvard.edu/exhibitions/glassflowers.html

Short answer, No. Long answer, an herbarium by definition is a collection of dried plant specimens usually mounted and systematically arranged for reference. What you are looking at is an art museum. Herbaria will be listed in the Index Herbarioium. I do not think that there is an herbarium that is not listed.

team farkle 7:

biosearch:

So we're decided then? Now all I need are some officers, right? Then I can creat a group, no? Anyone interested in officership?

Late in chiming in...

I got a question. Would Blaschka Glass Models of Plants count?

A Botanical Museum collection presented by the Harvard Museum of Natural History

This unique collection of over 3,000 models was created by the glass artisans, Leopold Blaschka and his son, Rudolph. The commission began in 1886, continued for five decades, and represents more than 830 plant species.

http://www.hmnh.harvard.edu/exhibitions/glassflowers.html

Short answer, No. Long answer, an herbarium by definition is a collection of dried plant specimens usually mounted and systematically arranged for reference. What you are looking at is an art museum. Herbaria will be listed in the Index Herbarioium. I do not think that there is an herbarium that is not listed.

ggmorton:

Is it listed here:
    http://sciweb.nybg.org/science2/IndexHerbariorum.asp
If so, then yes.
If not, then no.

I see 5 different herbaria listed for Harvard on there.

You are correct, some institutions have numerous herbaria. In the case of Harvard most or all of them (can't remember if that is the case) have been integrated including the Farlow which houses fungi, bryophytes, and algae. In many cases there may be more than one herbarium listed for an institution, however, since they may all be in one location there would only be one waymark.

Is it getting confusing enough? Interesting how, when you start to really look at these things it someone seems more complicated than it should be.

Note: apologize for the numerous posting above, my computer is doing something very strange on this message board...

GEO*TRAILBLAZER 1:

Herbaria's, Si! es muy bueno.
I have been to many in Mexico and the USA.
I find good supplies of Herba Bueana in Mexico herbaria's.
And some others.

I also visit the one in Silver City for OSHA(bear root) it only grows above 9000 feet.

BEAR CREEK HERBS

Some Red Root and many other tinctures.
Send me an invite.

Unfortunately, what you have mentioned sounds very much like an herb shop or store. Certainly not the same thing. An herbarium has to be listed in the Index Herbariorium, but more than that, to tell of an herbarium is what fits into this catagory ask the following questions, is the institution used in scientific study and does it have lots of cabinets (wall locker size or bigger) with lots and lots of sheets (11.5 x 16.5 in.) of paper with dried plant specimens glued and taped to them? If so, you've got an herbarium. If not, not so much.

As I mentioned above, I'm finding that this is getting more complicated that I thought it would be. It is perhaps due to the fact that I'm very familiar with them (taking the day off from going in and filing specimens) and most people don't even know that they exist.

An aside, I uncovered about 30 specimens from the 1890s yesterday from a box of unmounted specimens from the 70s. Borrowed by a collector to use as reference for the specimens that he had collected. Herbaria loan specimens to other herbaria and scientists for reference. Some people are notoriously bad about returning them. I'm guessing that this collector was one of them. I have no idea what herbarium they came from so I'll be accessioning them into our collection. For a small herbarium this is very cool. This is the sort of thing that an herbarium curator/asst. curator writes home about (or writes about on a list for which the readers could care less). If you know somebody like this, ask them if they work in an herbarium...

That should help to fill in just what an herbarium is, from the perspective of an herbarium curator/asst. curator or gnome.

By the way, herbaria are usually dark, found in basements and very closed in spaces. Insect control is a major issue. The cabinets are very close together and there are many of them. This leads, in some cases, to very dark and dismal rooms. The major amount of light in ours is from the mounting table, the computer screens and the microscopes. Herbarium workers spend a good deal of time bent over these scopes. Dark places, hunched backs, etc. You can see where herbarium gnome comes from.

I've written too much, I'll stop now....

Actually Michael does have a herbaria.
I also studied with him at SWNMU.

NM College

Internship requires studying there.

GEO*TRAILBLAZER 1:

Actually Michael does have a herbaria.
I also studied with him at SWNMU.


NM College

Internship requires studying there.

The only herbarium that I am able to find in Silver City is the Herbarium at Western New Mexico University (SNM).

I think that Index Herbariorum will have to be the standard. I do not know of any accredited herbarium that is not listed.

Thats is the one I am talking about.
SNM use to be SWNMU.

It is a small town and all inter-related.

I will have to get back to check it out.

GEO*TRAILBLAZER 1:

Thats is the one I am talking about.
SNM use to be SWNMU.

It is a small town and all inter-related.

I will have to get back to check it out.

Then if that is the case they do have an herbarium, in the Dept. of Natural Science. Carter, Norris and Zimmerman are the botanists there, one a specialist on cactus, one of the other on sedges. It would in fact be able to be listed.

I am realizing as I look at this specific instance, that it will be very difficult to check this and we will have to accept many on faith that they got the correct location. The reason that I say this is that many are not easily noticable and inside buildings that house other depts., offices, etc. The larger ones not so much a problem. Ours, for instance, even when I give directions to the door people get lost. (This also means that I rarely ever get bothered.)

So now we have a catagory, some concensus on the requirements for posting, three officers and the possibility of more... How do I go about creating a group now and what will be involved in getting it approved/reviewed?

WAYWARD WAYMARKING
This would be easier than me typing it all out here.

I would like to suggest that if a location is buried within a larger building, that the main door to the building be the point where a waymark coordiantes and photos be taken.

Ok, after ousting the AWOL leader of this group, I need one more person to help and try and get this category going.

Anyone interested in plants or herbaria that wants to be an officer?

Group is here.

Let me know if you are interested.

Hello. Me again.

Can someone help us out? We need one more active officer so that we can continue. The group link is in the previous message.

Ok, does anyone see anything that should be corrected, changed, etc? Does anyone have any concerns?

I think that looks good.  If you still need another officer I'm willing.  I've had a waymarking absence with other things going on in my life... but I'm back now and ready to get involved again

BTW, this category is up for peer review. We would appreciate your support.

Here are all of the comments from the peer review. I think I removed all of the names for people who put them on their comments. Sorry if I missed any. Don't sue me!
My comments are in black text. The reviewer comments are in blue.

Approve Comments:

• "Coordinates taken from a maping program, such as Google Earth or Yahoo Maps will not be accepted." This is my favourite part!

• Nice that the index is provided to locate these.

• Now this is a category where I will learn alot more from Waymarking! Thanks!

• Before publishing, please run correct spelling of "catagory" and "maping."
• Thanks. I have already corrected these spelling errors.

• On first reading this seemed a little boring to me because you're just looking for an anonymous building, and because the Herbarium is a professional scientific endeavour you can't gain access or sumbit interesting photos of ... er ... herbs and stuff. I fear it may not excite some people but its a well written and wel laid out cat, and I expect researching the waymarks will prove more interesting than some of the actual visits! So good luck :) To prove that researching herbaria can be interesting ... I did a bit of research for reviewing this cat and I found this link which it may be useful/interesting for you to add: http://herbariaunited.org/ Quote:"This is the site where the herbaria in the UK and Ireland are working together to provide an on-line resource for anyone interested in plant collections." You won't be able to directly control "visit-only" logs because that's the job of the person who posted the waymark - the group only gets to control waymarks that have been submitted (not logs of waymarks)
• I just did a search myself and see that 556 of them are listed in the U.K. We might accept other lists or indexes like the one you mentioned above if the list is an professionally accepted list without duplication of the current index. Stay tuned on this issue.
  

• Good idear.

• Neat!

• Cool!

• I thought this was already a category?
• It was started last July, but the leader went AWOL when he was having some email problems, so we were unable to contact him. We finally voted him out and restarted it with very minimal changes to the category.
  

Deny Comments:

• huh?

• Too restrictive. None in UK. What good if you find one. What a waste of time.
• I just looked and see 556 listed as being in the UK. Is that not enough? Put U.K. in the country field.
  
• This duplicates too many other categories and verifying the exact location may be difficult
• I'm not sure which categories you are referring to which these would duplicate. I believe that most if not all of the herbaria listed in the index include the address and or an email address to contact. That sounds like an easy way to pinpoint the location to me.
  
• tried to look into the mentioned websites need to login there? this is a paid thing? like the idea however, but seems that this is not accessible as it should be! please use the KISS principle and resubmit!
• No subscription is required to use the index. If you go to the link provided in the category, then click on search on the left hand side, you will see a form to search for your nearby herbarium. Please let us know if you are having trouble using the search for the Index, and we can try to help out.
  

• I've looked at your required listing, and find it totally baffling as far as waymarking is concerned. I see no way to locate these, and it seems there would be little there to photograph. Very limited. And, the required variables are way, way too detailed. We are locating sites to mark with coordinates, NOT writing an encyclopedia.
• Regarding locating these, just use the index. They give the address in every case that I have seen. I have seen very detailed variables in other categories such as wastewater treatment plants. I'm not saying you won't have to do a bit of research, but it might be as simple as a short phone call or email to the herbaria curator.
  

• I dont like the idea that the herbaria needs to be on the list. What if one isnt. Not every list is 100% complete.
• See the answer below.
  

• What the F___. Categories should be intersting. This sounds not very interesting.
• Feel free to ignore the category if you don't like it. Also, please watch your language.
  

• Obscure and not prevalent and nothing really to see or photograph
• Just by browsing the index, these seem like they are very prevalent around the world. There are several things to photograph. You might even learn something about plants!
  

• May be of interest to esoteric scholars, but these collections don't seem to be public attractions and really aren't suitable as a waymarking category.

• IF "The waymark must be included and searchable in the Index Herbariorum", then why do it. Why not include others that are not listed?
• We wanted a well defined list of what would be accepted. That way it is very clear. If you can find a herbaria that is not in the Index, ask them why they are not in the official Index. There might be a good reason.
  

Abstained Comments:

• I have mixed feelings, and am abstaining. I did go to the web site, and I see that they are prevalent, but from the index entry, I couldn't see that they were waymarkable? If you could give an example, that would sway me.
• I'm not sure what you mean by waymarkable. You can get coordinates of the entrance to these, and take some pictures.