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Hi,

I am proposing this new catagory and would like to recruit new members and 2 more officers.

Our mission statement will be as follows:

Sonic Drive Inn resturants are truly an American classic. Most are drive in's, some have a drive thru, some have a walk up window and some have no drive  up at all (walk ins). Whats yours like? The purpose of this group will be to locate and Waymark all of the Sonic Drive Inn resturant locations worldwide and note differences.

Also if anybody has any other help or info, please feel free to post reply!

Thank you for looking.

 

Two things:

First off, it seems like you have some members, You need to promote them so you can start the category. If you go to the category, click on the names and click the promote buttom. When you have a total of three, you can start the group.

 

Also it's drive-ins not drive inns

Thanks. I'll do that.

I wish I'd sent a copy of the message I sent you to myself so I could just copy over all the information that I already gave you.

 

- Elle

Sonic drive ins aren't global.  Now, I don't have a problem with that, but as it is one of the requirements for peer review, you should bear this in mind when writing up your category.

You will inevitably get "nay" votes on the basis that it's not global, so you will need to write  a good category to sell the cat to the "floating voters".

Interesting link on distribution of Sonic.
http://jalopnik.com/cars/news/sonic-drive+ins-slowly-creeping-northward-322884.php

I agree they are not global.
I would not think the National register of historical places is global, as is White castle hamburgers, Kroger supermarkets (which CLEARLY states listing Kroger's in the US) or US post offices At least there are Sonics in Mexico.. But if you think it will be scratched, I will gladly end the catagory as soon as it fails peer review.

There are many non global categories.  Just make sure you make a good category description.  I recommend looking at the other fast food category descriptions to get some ideas.  A well written category description fares better in peer review.

No worries. I have scratched the Sonic Drive In idea also. If someone somewhere sometime wants to re open it I'll let them go through the process. I should have looked into it closer (my mistake) and realized there are many different people with different ideas and different ways to try to open a group worldwide.
I guess thats my fault living in my "shell" here.
I am going to stick to my posting Louisiana waymarks and not worrying about ANYTHING else.
Thanks to all.

mtekk77:

I agree they are not global.
I would not think the National register of historical places is global, as is White castle hamburgers, Kroger supermarkets (which CLEARLY states listing Kroger's in the US) or US post offices At least there are Sonics in Mexico.. But if you think it will be scratched, I will gladly end the catagory as soon as it fails peer review.

In the case of restaurant (or anything else) chains, just because they are not global right now doesn't mean they won't be in the future.

Just be careful not to write any limitations in your category that would make the CATEGORY not global.

In this case it's a matter of what NOT to say.

mtekk77:

I agree they are not global.
I would not think the National register of historical places is global, as is White castle hamburgers, Kroger supermarkets (which CLEARLY states listing Kroger's in the US) or US post offices At least there are Sonics in Mexico.. But if you think it will be scratched, I will gladly end the catagory as soon as it fails peer review.

You misunderstand me.  The purpose of my post was not to discourage you from submitting the cat, but to encourage you to produce a good, persuasive write up that will sway those who will consider voting nay.  I apologise if I left this open to misinterpretation.

My intent was to give you a forewarning of the criticism that you will receive (believe me, you will) not to shoot down the cat.  Forewarned is forearmed and all that.

As I stated, I don't have a problem with this cat.  However, be assured that others will.  Any criticism received in these forums will be as nothing to the vitriol that some like to hurl from behind the anonymity of the peer review process.  You can try to head off this problem by bearing it in mind when writing up your cat, and putting forward persuasive arguments on the other criteria (So what if it's not global - here's why it is standout!).

As Bruce says, there are many non global cats - I manage one - but that's not to say you can just pretend the global criterion does not exist.  Use it as a spur to writing up an exceptional cat, rather than a reason to be discouraged.

You need to develop a thick skin and a clear mind when submitting a cat otherwise you will be blown off course.

Yes! I'm in complete agreement with 0ccam and Team Sieni.

Plus, prepare yourself that a lot of people just don't like the categories of fast food restaurants and will vote 'nay' because of that. That's wrong. I don't like them and I whinge about them, but I don't vote against them, because waymarking isn't about my preferences, it's about voting criteria. McDonald's Restaurants was one of the first categories so obviously fast food restaurants aren't magically exempt from waymarking consideration. As 0ccam said, just because it's not global now, it doesn't mean it won't be. As you've pointed out, there are plenty of categories that aren't global and won't ever be global. Understand that some people may think global categories aren't global even when they are global. If somebody doesn't like something, their argument can be really weak, circular and frustrating.

I always have the option of not posting waymarks in a category that I'm not interested in. That doesn't mean others won't participate in the category and it won't end up with a cool collection of different Sonic Drive-Ins. I won't post a waymark for my local Sonic but if sfwife or lazycachers waymarks it, I will definitely log my visit!

I still recommend really staying on top of your spelling. Use MS Word or any word processing software to write your category and then spell check it. Get someone else to proofread. I'm very appreciative when people find my typos and grammatical errors so I can correct them. I can make tons of them in casual writing like here on the forum! Thankfully, Sonic's got a website so research should be easy. You can write a great category if you want to.

- Elle

haunthunters:

I still recommend really staying on top of your spelling. Use MS Word or any word processing software to write your category and then spell check it. Get someone else to proofread. I'm very appreciative when people find my typos and grammatical errors so I can correct them.

- Elle

I agree. And I appreciate it when someone points out any errors I've made that I missed, so I can fix them before any MORE people see them.

Just last week, someone had to point out that I'd picked Texas as the state for a waymark at Walt Disney World.   Habits......

Team Sieni:

You need to develop a thick skin and a clear mind when submitting a cat otherwise you will be blown off course.

That's probibly the one main reason why I haven't submitted a category. Us redheads are known for our delicate skin.

I wish there were some sonics around here.  The nearest is many miles away.

I think you should continue with the sonics category.  There seems to be a misunderstanding about global versus non-global.  What it really means in waymarking is that a category should not be written to explicitly exclude places outside of its usual area.  For examples:

1.  Sonic Restaurants - it is OK to have the category be Sonic Restaurants even though perhaps all Sonic Restaurants are only in the U.S. and perhaps never be anywhere else.  On the other hand it would be non-global to have the category title be: Sonic Restaurants in the U.S. or Sonic Restaurants in Arizona, or for the title to be just Sonic Restaurants but the waymarking criteria say that only those in the U.S. will be accepted.

2.  U.S. Post Offices - it is OK to have a category be U.S. Post Offices but not U.S. Post Offices in the U.S.  There could be (as far as waymarking is concerned) a U.S. Post Office in Antartica, France, Indonesia, or anywhere else.

The global-only idea is excellent but not as simple as it first seems.

It is unfortunate that some people misunderstand the global idea and vote against particular categories because of this misunderstanding.

 

I wish there were Sonic's in my neck of the woods, and we always seem to stop at one while on road trips because they seem special to us.  I'd be happy to head up the Sonic category, or better yet, a category for "Car Hop Restaurants". I'm sure the majority of Sonics would be included as car hops, but not all of course, and then it would also include some really neat and obscure places around the world.  I can help you start something or let me know if you want me to.

dopeyduck:

I wish there were Sonic's in my neck of the woods, and we always seem to stop at one while on road trips because they seem special to us.  I'd be happy to head up the Sonic category, or better yet, a category for "Car Hop Restaurants". I'm sure the majority of Sonics would be included as car hops, but not all of course, and then it would also include some really neat and obscure places around the world.  I can help you start something or let me know if you want me to.

I like that Car Hop idea a lot.

- Elle

An independent (non-chain) car hops category would be good, and so would a Sonic category.  Both categories should be started. 

I like the car hop idea as well and would gladly serve as an officer in the group. If you aren't interested in running with the idea let me know and I will.

Nice to have a little amusement while doing a peer review.

Great category!

 

Hi Catagory is in peer review now.

If I can change this to include All car hop /drive in restaurants after review, I will make changes if allowed. (not sure how that works)

I thank everybody for help and intrest.