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I've been looking at some of the freize art at the University of Michigan Website, and I think it would make a good category of it's own.

I do have freize art in other categories.

Examples:

http://www.plantext.bf.umich.edu/planner/sculpture/medical/vaughan.htm

http://www.plantext.bf.umich.edu/planner/sculpture/central/clements.htm

http://www.plantext.bf.umich.edu/planner/sculpture/central/rackham.htm

As examples.

globetrotters.us:

I've been looking at some of the freize art at the University of Michigan Website, and I think it would make a good category of it's own.

I do have freize art in other categories.

Examples:

http://www.plantext.bf.umich.edu/planner/sculpture/medical/vaughan.htm

http://www.plantext.bf.umich.edu/planner/sculpture/central/clements.htm

http://www.plantext.bf.umich.edu/planner/sculpture/central/rackham.htm

As examples.

Sounds like a good category to me.  I've often looked at this stuff and thought to myself that it would great to be able to waymark it, I just didn't know what it was called.  Every once in a while I can waymark the building it is on in one category or another and thus provide a picture, but I'm always afraid it gets lost in the gallery.

I would say it is a good category.  I often take photos of it when I am taking photos for building categories.  I would require a photo the the art itself and a overall photo of the building.  I would also restrict it to one waymark per building/structure.  Only concern is the over prevalence of  this type of art, I can think so many buildings which have this type of art including government buildings, churches, schools, commercial buildings, along with mausoleums and many other buildings.

Definitely! I didn't know what "Freize Art" was, for me they are "Bas Relief" and there is one building in my town that has a very nice one. I've toyed with it as a category but I lack the expertise to know when one is one.

Glad to see someone wants to make this... they are very cool. Run with it!

BQ

Woo-Hoo! I will start a group for this!

I believe that bas relief is one style of frieze art, but I've seen interesting brickwork, and mosaic also.

 

 

globetrotters.us:

Woo-Hoo! I will start a group for this!

I believe that bas relief is one style of frieze art, but I've seen interesting brickwork, and mosaic also.

 

 

I started a group called "Freize Framers", and I am working on a write up

globetrotters.us:

I started a group called "Freize Framers", and I am working on a write up

Be careful with the definition. I had to go look up "frieze" and it sounds as if it restricts the location of the art.  If that's what you mean, that's great, but if you mean "bas relief" then be sure not to limit the category "incorrectly".

0ccam:

Be careful with the definition. I had to go look up "frieze" and it sounds as if it restricts the location of the art.  If that's what you mean, that's great, but if you mean "bas relief" then be sure not to limit the category "incorrectly".

My intention is all art between the top of the door and the roof, including bas-releif, high releif, mural, art deco brick and tilework. limit one waymark per building.

Would one waymark per wall be better?

globetrotters.us:

0ccam:

Be careful with the definition. I had to go look up "frieze" and it sounds as if it restricts the location of the art.  If that's what you mean, that's great, but if you mean "bas relief" then be sure not to limit the category "incorrectly".

My intention is all art between the top of the door and the roof, including bas-releif, high releif, mural, art deco brick and tilework. limit one waymark per building.

Would one waymark per wall be better?

I would limit to one per building.  I can think of buildings which have multiple wings with 10-16 walls.

BruceS:

globetrotters.us:

0ccam:

Be careful with the definition. I had to go look up "frieze" and it sounds as if it restricts the location of the art.  If that's what you mean, that's great, but if you mean "bas relief" then be sure not to limit the category "incorrectly".

My intention is all art between the top of the door and the roof, including bas-releif, high releif, mural, art deco brick and tilework. limit one waymark per building.

Would one waymark per wall be better?

I would limit to one per building.  I can think of buildings which have multiple wings with 10-16 walls.

One per building per waymarker? This would give others a chance.

This sounds like an excellent category. I remember seeing many examples of such art in Washington, D.C. The trick, as always, is to come up with a good description. Best of luck with this one.

Redneck Parrotheads:

BruceS:

globetrotters.us:

0ccam:

Be careful with the definition. I had to go look up "frieze" and it sounds as if it restricts the location of the art.  If that's what you mean, that's great, but if you mean "bas relief" then be sure not to limit the category "incorrectly".

My intention is all art between the top of the door and the roof, including bas-releif, high releif, mural, art deco brick and tilework. limit one waymark per building.

Would one waymark per wall be better?

I would limit to one per building.  I can think of buildings which have multiple wings with 10-16 walls.

One per building per waymarker? This would give others a chance.

No, one waymark per building total.  The others are visits.  They can visit any wall they want as long as it has the art.  There are plenty of buildings in the world with this type of artwork, no need to have a separate waymark for each side of a building.

globetrotters.us:

0ccam:

Be careful with the definition. I had to go look up "frieze" and it sounds as if it restricts the location of the art.  If that's what you mean, that's great, but if you mean "bas relief" then be sure not to limit the category "incorrectly".

My intention is all art between the top of the door and the roof, including bas-releif, high releif, mural, art deco brick and tilework. limit one waymark per building.

Would one waymark per wall be better?

So a free standing slab with bas-relief sculpture or a bas-relief on a cliff are NOT ELIGIBLE for this category.   Got it.  :)

The more I've looked into this, the more interested I have become.  I've seen a lot of examples of this, but never really known what it was or what it was called or what it was.  I just knew it was beautiful art! 

I'm a little unsure about what should and shouldn't be allowed in this Category, however.  Right now, it seems to be sticking to the main definition of FRIEZE:

Frieze:

a.  the part of a classical entablature between the architrave and the cornice, usually decorated with sculpture in low relief.

However, the concern I have is that if you separate what a RELIEF is from what a FRIEZE is, you have this:

Relief Wiki Definition

A Relief is the type of art that is in a Frieze.  The only problem is that there are plenty of gorgeous Reliefs out there that can be waymarked, and as Occam pointed out, if we just stick to between the top of the door and the roof, we're going to be cutting out a whole lot of good examples of Reliefs.  Check out the links at the bottom of the page I linked to just above.  There's some very famous Reliefs linked in there, that are all on their own, not part of a building's cornice.

And if that's all this Category wants to have waymarked, then I think that there needs to be another Category for all the other Reliefs that don't fit into this Category.  Which then begs the question yet again, is it better to separate these sorts of things into separate Categories, or do people think it would be too broad to include everything?  

Glad to see so much interest in this - a topic that has been batted around off and on for awhile now.

I would prefer to see a fairly broad definition for a category like this.  Otherwise, many good pieces of art will still be left out in the cold.  I'm still not sure of the distinction between "freize" and "bas relief." 

Relief type art can be found many places and of many types.  We had one pieces submitted to the murals category, by a noted artist, that was a large hanging piece made out of paper over a wood frame tha covered most of a huge wall.  It doesn't fall well into any of the categories.  Relief can be found on bridges and other structures.  I do think some distinction has to be made so that the category doesn't end up with any type of raised design.  It should be a true work of art.  (Well, even the definition of "art" may have more subjectivity to it than we'd like). 

Monuments are problematical.  Many have some sort of relief work on them, but I'd hate to see the cat overrun with monuments, most of which can be placed in other categories.  Still, there are some that have significant relief work, and some that don't fit in other categories.

I agree with BruceS that there should be ONE waymark per building.  It is entirely logical for one waymark to include a collection.  I suppose there might be instances when the works of art are distinct enough that they might warrant separate waymarks, but that should be an exception.

It is also difficult to put limits on size.   Some small works of art may be just as worthy as a large piece, or they may be insignificant.  I guess there will be no getting around some degree of subjectivity in a category like this.

silverquill:

I'm still not sure of the distinction between "freize" and "bas relief." 

It seems to me that a frieze is the artwork between the top of the door and the roof.  The artwork in a frieze is some form of a relief.  But, relief artwork can be used in other things other than a frieze.  I hope that's correct, and makes sense.

silverquill:

Glad to see so much interest in this - a topic that has been batted around off and on for awhile now.

I would prefer to see a fairly broad definition for a category like this.  Otherwise, many good pieces of art will still be left out in the cold.  I'm still not sure of the distinction between "freize" and "bas relief." 

Relief type art can be found many places and of many types.  We had one pieces submitted to the murals category, by a noted artist, that was a large hanging piece made out of paper over a wood frame tha covered most of a huge wall.  It doesn't fall well into any of the categories.  Relief can be found on bridges and other structures.  I do think some distinction has to be made so that the category doesn't end up with any type of raised design.  It should be a true work of art.  (Well, even the definition of "art" may have more subjectivity to it than we'd like). 

Monuments are problematical.  Many have some sort of relief work on them, but I'd hate to see the cat overrun with monuments, most of which can be placed in other categories.  Still, there are some that have significant relief work, and some that don't fit in other categories.

I agree with BruceS that there should be ONE waymark per building.  It is entirely logical for one waymark to include a collection.  I suppose there might be instances when the works of art are distinct enough that they might warrant separate waymarks, but that should be an exception.

It is also difficult to put limits on size.   Some small works of art may be just as worthy as a large piece, or they may be insignificant.  I guess there will be no getting around some degree of subjectivity in a category like this.

The way I wrote the category up was one waymark per building to include all frieze art, this way both the great and small can be recognized.

As far as the word Freize goes, thats what I've always called it. http://architecture.about.com/library/blgloss-frieze.htm  I see other places where they refer to facade, which I consider to include the whole front wall. I wouldn't see that as causing an issue. If a facade has non-frieze art, it probibly has freize art.

As far as bas-releif goes, it's another style of art. Just like a mural can be a mosic, a mural can be a bas-releif, a mural can be frieze art. The circles all interest in places. I wouldn't vote against bas-releif because there are bas-releif mural, memorials, Ben Franklins, Freize art. It could stand on its own.

Try this search http://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=R23V40354L425.6335&profile=ariall&menu=search&submenu=Keyword&ts=1234403540677#focus

and enter frieze and facade. Some nice examples come back.

We are getting real close, here. The category was approved in peer review. I've been making a few small tweaks based on the peer review comments. Currently, when I try to vew my edits I get the "Your request has resulted in an error." web page. I'm trying to sort that out, but this is how the guts are coming:

 

 

Look Up! The Frieze of a building is the area from above the door to the cornice. This can be indoors or outdoors.

The most common Frieze art is Bas-relief. Bas-Relief is a shallow depth carving.

Other common styles of Frieze art include Murals, High-relief, and art deco brickwork and tile patterns.

The following website is useful is researching artwork. http://sirismm.si.edu/siris/ariquickstart.htm
Always include the original source of any information that went into the waymark, reguardless of whether it is a direct quote or not.

Posting requirements

Posting requirements:
One waymark per building
A minimum of one Photo of the building (no GPSr please) and one one close-up of a piece of art. The more photos the better
Coordinates near the entrance to the building
Additional information about the history of the artwork to include artist, date built, original and current use of building.
Optional variables are only optional if they don't exist. If you have searched for information, and come up dry, please describe your fruitless search in the reviewer notes.

Logging requirements: Please upload your own personal photos of the building and a piece of art (minimum 1).