Groundspeak Portal

This is actually dinoprophet's idea. He said it first in another thread.

How's about a Waymarking Game that involves sketching real world locations?

There's no restriction on what types of locations as long as the picture that's uploaded is an original sketch in pencil, pen, charcoal, crayon or whatever other medium is preferred. Visitors would have to render a hand-drawn image in their own preferred medium.

Nobody needs to be a Monet.

Redneck Parrotheads:

This is actually dinoprophet's idea. He said it first in another thread.

Me?  Either I've forgotten something or you misunderstood something (I'm very sleepy; could be either).  I'll see how people respond before I decide which.

dinoprophet:

Even moreso if it allowed any Escher illustration -- let people *really* get creative with it!

I misunderstood you.

But I do like my misunderstanding better.

Redneck Parrotheads:

dinoprophet:

Even moreso if it allowed any Escher illustration -- let people *really* get creative with it!

I misunderstood you.

But I do like my misunderstanding better.

Ah, I see.  Yeah, I meant letting people recreate any Escher, as close as the natural world will allow.  I was going to also suggest a general art recreation game, not limiting it to Escher.  But I don't think that's what you're getting at.

Now that that's clear: would this mean taking a point anywhere and submitting a sketch with it?

dinoprophet:

Now that that's clear: would this mean taking a point anywhere and submitting a sketch with it?

Basically. I wrote a post on the livejournal waymarking community about it, which includes a first draft preview.

I like it, it would make for some very neat galleries.  I think I should claim it the idea after all.

I like it, but it seems like it could be abused by someone just wanting to generate numbers.  I'm torn.  Part of me wants to suggest one per waymarker, but on the other hand, for those who have an artistic bent and picked reasonable locations, I hate to limit people.  I think any of these that get visits are going to be really fun!  Comparing drawings.  I'm not much of an artist, so most people's sketches are going to be better than mine, but I still think it would be fun.  I would definitely go out of my way to visit others' waymarks!

onfire4jesus:

I like it, but it seems like it could be abused by someone just wanting to generate numbers.  I'm torn.  Part of me wants to suggest one per waymarker, but on the other hand, for those who have an artistic bent and picked reasonable locations, I hate to limit people.  I think any of these that get visits are going to be really fun!  Comparing drawings.  I'm not much of an artist, so most people's sketches are going to be better than mine, but I still think it would be fun.  I would definitely go out of my way to visit others' waymarks!

We can discuss ways to politely and reasonably contain the number of waymarks per player without establishing that it's a limit and without hampering fun. I'm glad you like the idea and would participate! I'm a horrible artist. It's embarassing, really. That's why I contributed my personal rendition of my GPSr for the group's avatar. My chosen medium was black crayon on yellow gregg-ruled notebook paper. I don't want anybody to be intimidated. The category is for everyone to have fun and do their best.

Group: Starving Artists

I was looking at the waymarking categories and it seems like the previous category (which was denied) has slipped into the mix. If you look in waymarking games it's there.

saopaulo1:

I was looking at the waymarking categories and it seems like the previous category (which was denied) has slipped into the mix. If you look in waymarking games it's there.

What is odd is that it listed on the complete list of categories but it is not on list if you click the Waymarking Games directory link

saopaulo1:

I was looking at the waymarking categories and it seems like the previous category (which was denied) has slipped into the mix. If you look in waymarking games it's there.

Please explain why you're starting a dialogue in this thread about "GPS Tracklog Art" which has a premise entirely different and unrelated to this game. I assume you mean "GPS Tracklog Art" since it's the only denied category that's presently in the Category Directory list. I don't understand what you mean by "the previous category". This seems like this would be appropriate as a new thread in the Website section of the forum.

Do you have any questions about this game?

Working Title: Drawing Waymarks

Group: Starving Artists

The details of the game are getting tweeked in discussion with the officers, however, the basic premise is that, instead of photographing a location for the waymark, you draw it. This is wide-open with options so it's not a difficult game in the slightest. It promises to be fun.

This game does not appear to be similiar to any current or past categories and is intended for placement within the Waymarking Games directory.

This Waymarking Game is:

• based on fixed permanent locations;
• requires a physical visit to the site for marking coordinates and creating visual art;
• welcoming to visits as well as posts;
• allows variety from visits to posts about a single location; 
• interactive for all ages;
• really inappropriate for a Photo Goals waymark.

Please feel free to ask questions, offer suggestions or provide feedback.

Sounds like it could be fun. Perhaps you could call it "No Longer Confused with GPS Tracklog Art".

That's a joke, people have been so touchy lately

The GPS Tracklog Art comment totally hit me from left field! It never occurred to me that anybody would associate this category with that one. Hopefully, saopaulo is the only one who did that. *knocks on wood* The wheels are turnin' on this one and it'll be in Peer Review sometime this week.

I'm afraid calling it "No Longer Confused with GPS Tracklog Art" will get more people to think, "Hey, I forgot about that category... so this is another GPS Tracklog Art category!"

After this Speed Traps category runs its course, I'm gonna have to buy a wig.

I first thought it was similar but after reading it I saw the difference. I was involved in the GPS Tracklog Art cat. and that probably tainted my initial view.

TheBeanTeam:

I first thought it was similar but after reading it I saw the difference. I was involved in the GPS Tracklog Art cat. and that probably tainted my initial view.

Probably... and I liked that category and voted for it, too. But it didn't cross my mind that this one was like that one... but that's probably because I developed this one so I already knew the big differences.

I think part of the confusion was that the other one was referred to as the gps etch - e - sketch or something like that thus the confusion.

I could see this as a photo goal and think it would make a great one if it isn't already.

But I'm having a hard time seeing the value of a separate category where person A creates the waymark and person B, C & D visits.  I'm presuming the item being sketched would be an object like a sculpture or a building, and there would be a good chance that it would fall under another category/cross-posted. On first thought it seems like a category just for the sake of having another category.  Also, how would the visits be handled? Are they supposed to take a picture, or also sketch a drawing. 

dopeyduck:

I could see this as a photo goal and think it would make a great one if it isn't already.

No, this does not make a good Photo Goal because, phrased quite simply, Photo Goals is for PHOTOS and in this category NO PHOTOGRAPHY IS ALLOWED. I don't mean to yell, I mean to emphasize this very important factor that makes it different from every Waymarking category presently in the directory.

dopeyduck:

I'm presuming the item being sketched would be an object like a sculpture or a building, and there would be a good chance that it would fall under another category/cross-posted.

Because it's a Waymarking Game, we are not discouraging cross-posting and have allowed for sharing any cross-posting in an optional variable. Something that will ward off armchair waymarking is that the coordinates can't be cross-posted. You're marking the coords from the place where you're drawing, not from the front steps or directly infront of the site. This could be hundreds of feet away if that's what it takes to get a decent view.

Waymarks can be technically cross-posted but not in a traditional sense. No other category in the Waymarking directory is going to accept me drawing the site instead of submitting a photographic image. Some categories won't even accept cell phone photography. This Waymarking Game is based on having fun doodling your best depiction of a site. Maybe I should've called it "Poor Man's Waymarking".

dopeyduck:

On first thought it seems like a category just for the sake of having another category.

I don't make categories for the sake of having categories... but you seriously don't see anything different or unique about this Waymarking Game at all? Seriously?! That's okay... The category is written and is now in Officer Vote. You can have a Peer Review Preview here: Drawing Waymarks. Maybe the brief discussion here just isn't facilitating your imagination as well as reading what you'll be presented in Peer Review. Remember, it's a Waymarking Game so please think fun!

I feel like one of those corporate event organisers who over-enthusiastically chirps at a group of under-enthusiastic employees about how ZANY!!! and FUN!!! the day's events will be! But seriously... this can be a fun category if you enjoy, you know, fun and stuff.

dopeyduck:

Also, how would the visits be handled? Are they supposed to take a picture, or also sketch a drawing.

NO PHOTOGRAPHY ALLOWED. You must draw. It will be fun (and ZANY!!!) to see the various interpretations of the same site in different mediums by different people. Not photographs all taken the same or from slightly different angles. This will take some elbow grease (not to mention courage).

dopeyduck:

I'm presuming the item being sketched would be an object like a sculpture or a building, and there would be a good chance that it would fall under another category/cross-posted.

Requiring the sketch to be of an existing waymark was discussed, but opted against.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of the sketching (I was a graphic designer in a prior life, so I'm all for the art aspect).

Maybe I think of the categories differently. Perhaps something like this as a thought:

Waymarking Games (Department)
-Artistic Goals (Category)
--Sketch a Site (WM)
--Watercolor a Site (WM)
--Take a photograph using reflective art (WM)

However on the flip side, I suppose you could also look at the sketch category similarly to the Philatelic Photos where 99% of those WM's can be cross-posted.  I guess I'm trying to figure out when something is supposed to be a Photo Goal or when it warrants its own category.

RP = No, this does not make a good Photo Goal because, phrased quite simply, Photo Goals is for PHOTOS and in this category NO PHOTOGRAPHY IS ALLOWED.

You could think of it as an Anti-Photo Goal, but that's just a technicality on the name. I guess I think about waymarking as visiting the "site" versus what medium I use to document that I visited the site, be it a photo, short story, or sketch. But then that's why its in the game department.

RP = You're marking the coords from the place where you're drawing, not from the front steps or directly infront of the site. This could be hundreds of feet away if that's what it takes to get a decent view.

I really like this idea. As well as having the subsequent visitors also sketch. (Granted not everyone posts a picture of their visit, so not everyone will likely post a scan/photo of their sketch.)

dopeyduck:

Redneck Parrotheads:

No, this does not make a good Photo Goal because, phrased quite simply, Photo Goals is for PHOTOS and in this category NO PHOTOGRAPHY IS ALLOWED.

You could think of it as an Anti-Photo Goal, but that's just a technicality on the name. I guess I think about waymarking as visiting the "site" versus what medium I use to document that I visited the site, be it a photo, short story, or sketch. But then that's why its in the game department.

The main problem that I saw with your suggestion of it being in Photo Goals is that there's no defined line where things no longer belong as a Photo Goal. Catholic Churches could be in Photo Goals, McDonald's, Webcams, Outdoor Altars, Mosiacs, Abstract Sculptures... the whole directory could fit into the Photo Goals category by definition of just saying: Take a picture of a (blank). In this respect, Waymarking.com is one big Photo Goals category with directory divisions, sub-directory divisions and category divisions requiring different additional details.

dopeyduck:

Redneck Parrotheads:

You're marking the coords from the place where you're drawing, not from the front steps or directly infront of the site. This could be hundreds of feet away if that's what it takes to get a decent view.

I really like this idea. As well as having the subsequent visitors also sketch. (Granted not everyone posts a picture of their visit, so not everyone will likely post a scan/photo of their sketch.)

It's a game so they have to draw to play... but it will be up to posters to police their own waymark visit logs as they feel appropriate. I don't micromanage the categories that much. My official statement is that visitors will miss out if they don't participate by drawing.

Your previous comment suggests a different kind of organisation of the waymarks. By having the game mimick Photo Goals, it would allow specific organisation of different types of artwork. This focuses more on the artwork and less on the physical locations. Drawing is the novelty so I can see wanting to put that front and center. I just didn't want to sacrifice the coordinates and real-locations. I wanted people to sketch the same site as another. I wanted it to have the novelty of hand-drawn visual art in a way that still focused on one site at a time.

At this time, it's a bit too late to open the dialogue about dramatic changes. The category is now in Peer Review. Ideas for tweeking the category (from you and everyone) would be great. We're always open the ideas for improvement it's just that your comments came about a week late for major changes.

From your previous comment:

dopeyduck:

suppose you could also look at the sketch category similarly to the Philatelic Photos where 99% of those WM's can be cross-posted.

This is entirely up to the poster. Waymarks could be posted about places that don't have a category and could never have a category for whatever reason. We haven't restricted what you can draw... we've just established that a single object should not be drawn (the surrounding area should be included).

I took a look at the category proposal and one way I think it could be improved is to provide examples of drawings that you will accept on the page itself or via link.

Pixel Art of New York

Naive Art

Stick Figure

Of course these have copyrights no doubt but I share them as examples of what I mean.

TheBeanTeam:

I took a look at the category proposal and one way I think it could be improved is to provide examples of drawings that you will accept on the page itself or via link.

Pixel Art of New York

Naive Art

Stick Figure

Of course these have copyrights no doubt but I share them as examples of what I mean.

Stick Figure is definitely my chosen style. We can easily add references to show the category's style diversity.

Thanks!