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KWatson0013 joined Waymarking on March 6th.  Since then has visited 360 Waymarks with no photographs where required and brief comments. 

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KWatson0013 joined Waymarking on March 6th.  Since then has visited 360 Waymarks with no photographs where required and brief comments. 

I have deleted all visits he has posted to my waymarks.  With a log like "Gateway Arch is in St. Louis"  I figure that was really insightful.

I truly do not understand why anyone would want to rack up visits just to rack up visits.  It is not like there is a prize to do so.  I explained Waymarking the first few times but now I just delete the visits.

BruceS:

  With a log like "Gateway Arch is in St. Louis"  I figure that was really insightful.

I got a log just like that from kingbee on my Rio Puerco Bridge near Albuquerque. He is a premium member that, I guess, started geocaching back in 2004. His log was "Old Bridge".

Obviously kingbee did not read the Visit Instructions: Tell of your visit and post unique photo(s).  Well, "Old Bridge" beats "Visited."

rose red:

Obviously kingbee did not read the Visit Instructions: Tell of your visit and post unique photo(s).  Well, "Old Bridge" beats "Visited."

Yeah, back when he did that, I sent a "Thank you for visiting my waymark.  I look forward to seeing the photo(s) when you get a chance to upload them."  But that apparently didn't work....

KWatson0013 has one less visit now  .  I deleted his visit to Westminster Burial Grounds in Baltimore.  I'm usually really easygoing about visits, but his cross the line.  He also managed to visit Edgar Allen Poe's grave while there.  He has been really busy.

I sent him an e-mail asking him to review the visit instructions and to make an effort comply. I got no reply and he continued to log visits with no photos. So far I have deleted over 50 of his visits.

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BruceS:

  With a log like "Gateway Arch is in St. Louis"  I figure that was really insightful.

I got a log just like that from kingbee on my Rio Puerco Bridge near Albuquerque. He is a premium member that, I guess, started geocaching back in 2004. His log was "Old Bridge".

I agree with kingbee here. It's an old bridge. I wasn't struck by lighting or inspiration while here, I just stopped to get the waymark in the category.

That's how I feel with some. The owners want a nice description of my visit, describe the area and what you experienced. What moved you about the waymark. Well, lets see. It was 34 and raining. What moved me was someone created a category and posted waymarks that got uploaded to my GPS so I visited it. Since that might offend the person who owns the category (and most likely loves old bridges) the log simply states "I was there".

Now, on the alleged armchair waymarker, if asked for a better log or pictures they should try to provide them or give a reason they can't comply. If it's reasonable the owner should allow the visit, but it shouldn't be the norm. And 300+ visits in 11 days is a bit much. Now if I were to count all places I've been in my 48 years before I started waymarking I imagine I could pass 300, maybe even create that many, but I don't have photos. (I have posted visits to a few I had visited shortly before I started waymarking but had the requirements.)

Fatcat

 

Let's not confuse Retro-Visit with Armchair Visit.

Retro-Visit is when you share your experience from the past on a Waymark, and that gives a view from a time before the Waymark existed. Like "Visited Walt Disney World in 1977... we drove two days to get there and I remember buying extra E-Tickets to ride Haunted Mansion again cause I loved it so much", then backdating your log to the actual time you were there and uploading an old photo taken by your parents with their Polaroid One-Step.

Armchair Visit is akin to faking it. Never actually being there but logging it anyway. Like looking at the Waymark for POPS on Route 66 and saying "Cool bottle"

There are thousands of Waymarks on this site that I have been to from before Waymarking started, and I could retro-log them if I wanted to. But to do that, one must log it from a "past-experience style".

I'm willing to accept most anything in a log, except an outright lie. A Retro-Visit should sound like a Retro-Visit.

BQ

Has anyone encouraged him and others like him to use 'Write Note'?  I have done that a couple times when I didn't meet the requirements but still wanted to log something.  I did that with the Louisiana State Capital - I did see it, but from the highway, so, it's not a real visit.  I've had one of those 'Retro Visits' too, and decided to leave it because, frankly, it's at least a comment that would otherwise leave the waymark visit log empty (HINT - Come to Boston for some Waymarking Visits!). 

Maybe we need a new selection called 'Virtual Visit'?  I would hate to have the visit list clogged up with virtual visits vs actual visits, but maybe there's room for virtual visitors if there is interest out there.

Why not just play by the rules and do what you are asked to do?  My comments will not win any literary prizes, but at least  I provide a picture when asked.

yorelken:

Why not just play by the rules and do what you are asked to do?  My comments will not win any literary prizes, but at least  I provide a picture when asked.

I think I'm in the same boat with you.

I like the term "retro-visit". Yeah, I've done that a time or two.

yorelken:

Why not just play by the rules and do what you are asked to do?  My comments will not win any literary prizes, but at least  I provide a picture when asked.

While I agree with you 95% of the time, however sometimes pictures are hard to get.  I recently visited a spring that was only accessible by swimming or boating.  I don't have a water proof camera and didn't feel comfortable bringing my GPSr.  I'm hoping my track log and pictures around the entrance will be enough for the owner to not delete my visit.  However, if he is to require a picture AT the spring, my log will have to be deleted as I don't have one.

ODragon:

yorelken:

Why not just play by the rules and do what you are asked to do?  My comments will not win any literary prizes, but at least  I provide a picture when asked.

While I agree with you 95% of the time, however sometimes pictures are hard to get.  I recently visited a spring that was only accessible by swimming or boating.  I don't have a water proof camera and didn't feel comfortable bringing my GPSr.  I'm hoping my track log and pictures around the entrance will be enough for the owner to not delete my visit.  However, if he is to require a picture AT the spring, my log will have to be deleted as I don't have one.

And if 95% of the time a photo is uploaded, no one would doubt the visit.  When 0% of the time a photo  is uploaded and no experience of the waymark is shared except some generic entry then the visits are in doubt.

BruceS:

And if 95% of the time a photo is uploaded, no one would doubt the visit.  When 0% of the time a photo  is uploaded and no experience of the waymark is shared except some generic entry then the visits are in doubt.

Most if not all of my entries are generic but I do post photos for most of them!

ODragon:

BruceS:

And if 95% of the time a photo is uploaded, no one would doubt the visit.  When 0% of the time a photo  is uploaded and no experience of the waymark is shared except some generic entry then the visits are in doubt.

Most if not all of my entries are generic but I do post photos for most of them!

Then I would suggest that you curtail the use of generic entries in favour of unique ones. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but really there is more to it than that.

BQ

fatcat161:

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BruceS:

  With a log like "Gateway Arch is in St. Louis"  I figure that was really insightful.

I got a log just like that from kingbee on my Rio Puerco Bridge near Albuquerque. He is a premium member that, I guess, started geocaching back in 2004. His log was "Old Bridge".

I agree with kingbee here. It's an old bridge. I wasn't struck by lighting or inspiration while here, I just stopped to get the waymark in the category.

That's how I feel with some. The owners want a nice description of my visit, describe the area and what you experienced. What moved you about the waymark. Well, lets see. It was 34 and raining. What moved me was someone created a category and posted waymarks that got uploaded to my GPS so I visited it. Since that might offend the person who owns the category (and most likely loves old bridges) the log simply states "I was there".

I'd not be offended by you telling me what I don't know, like the temp at the time, or the time of day you went by or that you only stopped because it happened to be waymarked already.

Telling me that my old orphaned bridge is an old bridge is not really sufficient.  And no photo either.  Gotta keep an eye on these old things.  Monitor their condition.  Someday we might have a nice progressive record of the decay of the bridge....

Has KWatson0013 ceased "Visiting" Waymarks with no photographs and brief comments??

rose red:

Has KWatson0013 ceased "Visiting" Waymarks with no photographs and brief comments??

No

i got a lot of hits his first day. i sent him a note about pics. if i recall correctly he hit me in 3 states that day.

by the time others had started deleting logs and i opened the note stating so, his emails were gone out of my mailbox....a short time later i got a few more logs from him....those logs were promptly deleted. no note to him was needed--i sent one, and it seems a lot of us did.

bruce and i have discussed the BUG in wm.com that doesnt allow me to 'click around' and delete the logs. such a shame, i really wanted to delete those logs (very similar to how i want to delete those from a poster in another thread now, but am giving him benefit of the doubt, and also think he might rethink his proceedures in the future). but they are lost in the abyss. i just hope i remember to delete them once i can finally find them.

one would think that one day (SOON) the officers are going to band together and remove the ever increasing number of bogus logs.

i have been known to 'retro log' (thats a good one to complemint my 'armchair logger'). i do make it obvious that i WAS there, and heres a PIC to go with it. i have also logged a few marks with out pics, but there are several reasons this is ok, and i would hope that when the log police begin patrolling they understand.

back on topic: so why can TPTB not lock his account? how far must one go to become out of line? what, 300+ and counting, and are there any valid logs? [note: i did have one: a GHM had a BAD phone pic that really coulda been any GHM].

Has KWatson0013 ceased "Visiting" Waymarks with no photographs and brief comments??

437 Waymark 'Visits' in 3 weeks and last sign-in March 28th 2009,  Rose
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Icon	Category Name	Waymarks Visited
	Grave of a Famous Person	35
	U.S. National Register of Historic Places	16
	Official Local Tourism Attractions	15
	Fountains	14
	Georgia Historical Markers	13
	Professional Sports Venues	12
	American Guide Series	12
	Figurative Public Sculpture	8
	Worldwide Cemeteries	8
	National Parks (U.S.)	8
	Static Artillery Displays	7
	History Museums	7
	Universities and Colleges	6
	Roller Coasters	6
	American Revolutionary War Veteran Graves	6
	Statues of Historic Figures	6
	George Washington	6
	Cityscapes	5
	Wikipedia Entries	5
	This Old Church	5
	Kentucky Historical Markers	5
	Civil War Discovery Trail Sites	4
	Military Ships and Submarines (Decommissioned)	4
	Municipal Parks and Plazas	4
	NPS Passport Cancellation Stations	4
	Public Aquariums	4
	Skyscrapers	4
	Hall of Fame	4
	Episcopal Churches	3
	Obelisks	3
	Veteran Cemeteries	3
	Churchyard Cemeteries	3
	Eternal Flames	3
	Courthouses	3
	Gates of Distinction	3
	Television and Cable Broadcasting Stations	3
	American Revolution Patriot Graves	3
	State/Provincial Parks	3
	Capitol Buildings	3
	Tourist Information Centers - Visitor Centers	3
	Abraham Lincoln	3
	Libraries	3
	Suspension Bridges	3
	American Civil War Monuments and Memorials	3
	Historic Forts	3
	South Carolina Historical Markers	3
	Living Statues	3
	Town Clocks	3
	Equestrian Statues	3
	Movie Locations	3
	Revolving Restaurants	2
	Tennessee Historical Markers	2
	Sundials	2
	Look-Out Towers	2
	Exact Replicas	2
	Art Museums	2
	Out of Place Graves	2
	Castles	2
	Amusement Parks	2
	Irish-American Historic Places	2
	Medal Of Honor Resting Places	2
	Lion Statues	2
	Sit-by-me Statues	2
	Non-Specific Veteran Memorials	2
	Retired Prisons	2
	Bells	2
	Freestanding Arches	2
	Engineering Landmarks	2
	Stained Glass Windows	2
	Pre-Victorian Historic Homes	2
	Great Buildings of the World	2
	Breweries	2
	Barns	2
	Nautical Flag Poles	2
	Hard Rock Cafe	2
	Bandshells	1
	Ferris Wheels	1
	Orientation Tables	1
	Lonely Chimneys	1
	Donated Engraved Bricks and Pavers	1
	National Scenic Byways	1
	U.S. Revolutionary War Memorials	1
	Graves of the Unknown	1
	Statues of Liberty	1
	Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.	1
	Mausoleums	1
	Specific Veteran Memorials	1
	Cracker Barrel Restaurants	1
	Famous Fires	1
	Disaster Memorials	1
	Master Architects - Deconstructivism	1
	Independent Diners	1
	Christian Crosses	1
	Arch Bridges	1
	Realistic Object Sculptures	1
	Unintentionally Funny Signs	1
	Beaches	1
	Korean War Memorials	1
	Art Galleries	1
	NRHP Historic Districts - Contributing Buildings	1
	Olmsted Designed Parks	1
	Superlatives	1
	Stone Bridges	1
	Indoor Malls	1
	Subway Restaurants	1
	Beatlemania!	1
	Ghosts and Hauntings	1
	Vietnam War Memorials	1
	Permanent World Fair and Expo Structures	1
	Candy Stores	1
	Train Stations/Depots	1
	Abstract Public Sculptures	1
	Man-made waterfalls	1
	U.S. Civil War Sites	1
	Japanese Gardens	1
	Truss Bridges	1
	U.S. Post Offices	1
	9/11 Memorial Sites	1
	Factory Tours	1
	Dead Poets' Society Memorials	1
	Peace Poles	1
	Ghost Signs	1
	Off-Leash Dog Areas	1
	Campgrounds	1
	Ohio Historical Markers	1
	Moving Bridges	1
	U.S. Benchmarks	1
	Mountain Summits	1
	Military Installations	1
	Civil Rights Memorials	1
	Pedestrian Suspension Bridges	1
	Vietnam POW/MIA Monuments	1
	McDonald's Restaurants	1
	Musical Instruments	1
	Border Crossings	1
	Racetracks	1
	Plane Crash Sites	1
	Ginormous Everyday Objects	1
	Odd-Shaped Buildings	1
	Dog Statues	1
	Presidential Birthplaces	1
	Zoos	1
	Concert Halls	1
	Unique Weathervanes	1
	Airports	1
	Coastal Lighthouses	1
	Minor League Baseball Stadiums	1
	Antique Shops	1
	Bowling Centres	1
	Paramedic Stations	1
	Bed and Breakfast	1
	Exceptional Trees	1
	World War I Memorials and Monuments	1
	First of its kind	1
	City and Town Halls	1
	Animal Memorials	1
	U.S. Civil War General Statues	1
	Indiana Historical Markers	1
	Ice Skating Rinks	1
	Outdoor Basketball Courts	1
	Virginia Historical Markers	1
	Farmers' Markets	1
	Independent Coffee Shops    1

I do not see the point of claiming a "Visit" to a Waymark when you have not really visted a Waymark.  It is not like it adds to the "Finds" in Geocaching.

rose red:

I do not see the point of claiming a "Visit" to a Waymark when you have not really visited a Waymark.  It is not like it adds to the "Finds" in Geocaching.

Looks like only 2 "Visits" have been deleted, since the above posting, with 435? to go.
BTW:-- The statistics in the  post/link do change  as "Visits" get deleted.