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Just started a new group Dim Sum Lose Sum and we are looking for officers to join.

Our plan is to mark and review specifically dim sum restaurants. We enjoy finding places, that we have never eaten at before, and experiencing what they have to offer. It would be great if people that dine at a restaurant could post a picture or scan of the menu.

Isn't dim sum part of Chinese cuisine?

There is already a category for Chinese Restaurants.  http://www.waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=7bba7a22-935f-4877-b2bc-9a309b3c8a91

I have to agree with the appove poster. I think they could go in Chinese restaurants.

Actually, Dim sum is a variable in the Chinese cat (I'm pretty sure)

globetrotters.us:

Actually, Dim sum is a variable in the Chinese cat (I'm pretty sure)

Nope, I don't see that variable in the category.

"Chinese Restaurants" covers a pretty broad spectrum. Dim sum is a very distinct dining experience, that I feel deserves a category of its own. Kind of like just placing the "Chinese Restaurants" into a single "Asian Restaurants" category with a variable. I feel, being a little more focused is a good thing. Especially if I am looking for a dim sum restaurant, and do not want to scan through a bunch of fast, western Chinese food places, that do not serve dim sum or any similar dishes.

Originally, the intent of the variables was to provide some value in searching.

Perhaps it's time again to raise our voices to the developers and ask to provide us some additional functionality.

Ideally, we should be able to add a dim-sum check box to any possible place to buy dim-sum, and a new dim-sum query would show all existing waymarks in all cats that could serve dim-sum.

Please give us query on variable functionality!!!!!

This may indeed be the case but you have an uphill battle convincing the rest of the waymarking community that the category is needed despite the redundancy.

If the category is written very well with examples and a few photographs then you may have a fighting chance but the redundancy issue is a difficult sticking point for a category proposal.

Categories that are more inclusive are often approved even if there are categories already in existence that will also fin into them. However, categories that are a sub group of another existing category as a rule don't make it through peer review. I can't think of any that have made it but there may be some. On the other hand I can recall several proposals that went down in defeat due to the redundancy clause in Peer Review.

globetrotters.us:

Originally, the intent of the variables was to provide some value in searching.

Perhaps it's time again to raise our voices to the developers and ask to provide us some additional functionality.

Ideally, we should be able to add a dim-sum check box to any possible place to buy dim-sum, and a new dim-sum query would show all existing waymarks in all cats that could serve dim-sum.

Please give us query on variable functionality!!!!!

I did a Dim Sum search in the waymarks search box and turned up these nine that are already listed.

This is different than a variable search but still turned up this group. I agree that a variable search inside a category would be a great tool.

salem65:

Dim sum is a very distinct dining experience, that I feel deserves a category of its own.

Please explain how a dim sum restaurant is different?  Is the food prepared and served differently?  Is the decorum different?  Is it just a matter of quality?

salem65:

Kind of like just placing the "Chinese Restaurants" into a single "Asian Restaurants" category with a variable. I feel, being a little more focused is a good thing. Especially if I am looking for a dim sum restaurant, and do not want to scan through a bunch of fast, western Chinese food places, that do not serve dim sum or any similar dishes.

Being more general, without being too general, is better in my opinion.  Imagine if every section in a library only had five books.  You would spend as much time looking for the section as you would looking for the book.

As a suggestion, try posting a few of your favorite dim sum restaurants in the Chinese Restaurants category and see how that works.  If you get the correct details, and take the pictures and coordinates yourself, then your waymark should get approved.  If your dim sum category get approved, then you can post the same restaurants in the new category.

Remember that waymarking is about sharing your experience in different locations.  If it was just about finding things, then there are more efficient ways to do that.

TheBeanTeam:

This may indeed be the case but you have an uphill battle convincing the rest of the waymarking community that the category is needed despite the redundancy.

If the category is written very well with examples and a few photographs then you may have a fighting chance but the redundancy issue is a difficult sticking point for a category proposal.

Categories that are more inclusive are often approved even if there are categories already in existence that will also fin into them. However, categories that are a sub group of another existing category as a rule don't make it through peer review. I can't think of any that have made it but there may be some. On the other hand I can recall several proposals that went down in defeat due to the redundancy clause in Peer Review.

Thanks for the info.

I guess there are just differing opinions on how general, or not so general, categories in waymarking should be. I really feel lumping together an entire culture's cuisine into a single category is too general. Yes it is Chinese, but Chinese is not a single food.
I see, that the western restaurants have been separated into distinct categories already, yet Chinese, which consists of as many different styles, only has one.

globetrotters.us:

Originally, the intent of the variables was to provide some value in searching.

Perhaps it's time again to raise our voices to the developers and ask to provide us some additional functionality.

Ideally, we should be able to add a dim-sum check box to any possible place to buy dim-sum, and a new dim-sum query would show all existing waymarks in all cats that could serve dim-sum.

Please give us query on variable functionality!!!!!

You have the functionality.  Do a search an you will find that if returns things listed in variables.

well, there are several dimsum's here that have places besides china on the sign...

BruceS:

You have the functionality.  Do a search an you will find that if returns things listed in variables.

I was thinking more like "YES" in a variable value

 

For example Sushi has a conveyors variable.

Query all sushi with conveyor = "yes"

or if other cats had the conyor variable,

Query all restaurants with conveyor = "yes"

The variables are more valueble for data analysis, because they require you to think when doing data entry, where if the instructions said "say there are converyor belts if there are conveyor belts" a non-mention may not be a no.

globetrotters.us:

BruceS:

You have the functionality.  Do a search an you will find that if returns things listed in variables.

I was thinking more like "YES" in a variable value

 

For example Sushi has a conveyors variable.

Query all sushi with conveyor = "yes"

or if other cats had the conyor variable,

Query all restaurants with conveyor = "yes"

The variables are more valueble for data analysis, because they require you to think when doing data entry, where if the instructions said "say there are converyor belts if there are conveyor belts" a non-mention may not be a no.

Sure, a general search might turn up terms that appear in variables, but as mentioned above, that is different from a true search on the variable fields.  It would be valuable to search a single category for a specific value in a specific variable, for instance.   Yes, No variables are a good example.

Searching by variable is one of the functions that was talked about, way back before group management was instituted, as a function that would be available into the future  - far into the future, it seems - at least that is the comment I remember from the last town meeting where the new search engine was discussed.

Anyway, I think this category is not going to be put up for peer review, and I'll see about adding a dim-sum variable to the Chinese Restaurant category.

 "I really feel lumping together an entire culture's cuisine into a single category is too general. Yes it is Chinese, but Chinese is not a single food. I see, that the western restaurants have been separated into distinct categories already, yet Chinese, which consists of as many different styles, only has one."

I agree!

Once you've been to a Dim Sum restaurant, you will understand it is NOT the same as your run of the mill Chinese restaurant.  Even ordering dim sum is a unique experience.  A waitress brings a steam cart over to your table, the cart is filled with unique steamed dumplings to choose from, and each in it's own chrome container .  There are unique sauces and dips for each of the dim sums, some hot, some sweet, and some out of this world.

 I like this category, Dim Sum restaurants are becoming the latest international flavor fad and we (Waymarking.com) should be the on the forefront.

I say we leave it up to the peer vote and head forward.