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Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Last post 04-05-2010, 4:59 AM by gt.us. 20 replies.
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03-10-2010, 8:11 AM |
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Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
UH-OH!
Somebody didn't get the memo about providing details - among other things.
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03-12-2010, 3:37 PM |
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fathrtime
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
I'd definitely post into this category (most of the towers have benchmarks or trigs nearby..) but might be worth discussing the category in the forums and maybe a few pictures of different types of tower etc..
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03-12-2010, 7:41 PM |
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BruceS
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
I see no need for this type of category to be geographically restricted... cell towers are cell towers. Though I really don't see any need for this category at all but that is another story.
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03-13-2010, 7:34 AM |
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03-13-2010, 9:15 AM |
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Dorcadion Team
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
...yes, why only Australia? Please, make it global and we will surely vote YEA :)
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03-13-2010, 6:50 PM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Dorcadion Team:...yes, why only Australia? Please, make it global and we will surely vote YEA :)
Oh, be careful who you speak for... I am not convinced this is a proper use of the "unique and interesting" part of waymarking.
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03-13-2010, 7:25 PM |
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BruceS
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
cldisme:
I am not convinced this is a proper use of the "unique and interesting" part of waymarking.
And those that are "unique and interesting" (if any of these can be called that) can already be listed in the Disguised
Cell Towers category.
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03-14-2010, 3:32 AM |
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hi pressure
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Just thought of an idea for this category.
What if the one posting the waymark was to list it as a name related to the area it is in so the ones who visit it need to try and work out why it was called that? For example: A mobile phone tower near the intersection of Bayswater Road & East field Road could be called Water to the East. If the one finding the waymark could just post in the visit they worked it out (by saying got it) or (had no idea why it was called that)
If this is a viable option then it would be made global. The posting of the waymark would require a note to the reviewers stating why it was called that before it was approved.
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03-14-2010, 5:21 AM |
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BruceS
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Why would someone want to visit a regular cell tower in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
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03-14-2010, 5:52 AM |
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haggaeus
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
In 1990s, when cellphone technology was new, you could enter service menu on your phone and monitor the nearby BTSes. I remember several lists maintained by hobbyists, with BTS placement details, channels used, even geographic coordinates (obtained from paper maps). That was fun, I wished I had better phone at that time, my Alcatel didn't show all the technical details in its service menu.
I am afraid you can't obtain this technical information with todays phones. The other interesting feature of the service menu was to lock the phone to particular BTS, preventing it to search for the one with the best signal - now that would be interesting: waymarking the BTS and logging the visit at the place where you actually got the signal from the remote tower...
I agree there is nothing interesting in just taking a picture and coordinates of the BTS.
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03-14-2010, 12:56 PM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Yes ...you (and also BruceS) are probably right, nothing so much interesting for a special category. It was only the first reaction to geographic limitations. :)
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03-14-2010, 8:19 PM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
I have been sitting here thinking about it & yeah maybe go global with it.
As for Disguised Cell(Phone) towers that is differant thing all together i have done a few of these towers & the only way you would Know is if you had worked on it or you you there when it was under construction.
Yes im an Ex Cooms Rigger.
Some of the towers we constructed were in some interisting places yes some are in some mundane places but then again some are in the How did they get there?
And like fathrtime has said some even have Trigs, Benchmarks or even Weather stations near them.
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03-14-2010, 10:37 PM |
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hi pressure
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
BruceS:Why would someone want to visit a regular cell tower in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
So why would someone want to visit a regular payphone in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
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03-15-2010, 3:24 AM |
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gt.us
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
hi pressure: BruceS:Why would someone want to visit a regular cell tower in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
So why would someone want to visit a regular payphone in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
Once upon a time, every person in the world didn't have a cell phone. Som I guess if you didn't have a cell phone, and you broke down, you could go to your list of payphones that you had downloaded from waymarking to find a good place to call AAA.
Since there is a requirement for being able to take incoming calls, I always wondered if they were being collected for radio station prank calls.
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03-15-2010, 3:31 AM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
gt.us: hi pressure: BruceS:Why would someone want to visit a regular cell tower in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
So why would someone want to visit a regular payphone in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
Once upon a time, every person in the world didn't have a cell phone. Som I guess if you didn't have a cell phone, and you broke down, you could go to your list of payphones that you had downloaded from waymarking to find a good place to call AAA.
Since there is a requirement for being able to take incoming calls, I always wondered if they were being collected for radio station prank calls.
A fair call but wouldn't you buy a cell phone before a GPSr? But then again what came first a cell phone or a GPSr? That is the question. My thoughts only.
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03-15-2010, 3:58 AM |
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hi pressure
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Just checked out some history. In May 2000, the U.S. government turned off Selective Availability, a
feature which limited the accuracy of GPS signals for civilians. Within
24 hours, Dave Ulmer placed the first geocache (at that time called a
"GPS Stash") and posted its coordinates online. Within three days, two
people used their own GPS receivers to find the container and shared
their experiences online. So I take it that waymarking started around the same time.
In today's world, most people communicate through the use
cellular phones. It's hard to believe that fifteen years ago cell phones
were a rarity. Below is a history chronicling the dawn of the cell
phone to its current state.
1843 - A skilled
analytical chemist by the name of Michael Faraday began exhaustive
research into whether space could conduct electricity. Faraday exposed
his great advances of nineteenth-century science and technology and his
discoveries have had an incalculable effect on technical development
toward cellular phone development.
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1865 - Dr. Mahlon Loomis of Virginia, a dentist, may
have been the first person to communicate through wireless via the
atmosphere. Between 1866 and 1873 he transmitted telegraphic messages at
a distance of 18 miles between the tops of Cohocton and Beorse Deer
Mountains, Virginia. He developed a method of transmitting and receiving
messages by using the Earth's atmosphere as a conductor and launching
kites enclosed with a copper screens that were linked to the ground with
copper wires. Congress then awarded Loomis a $50,000 research grant.
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1973 - Dr Martin Cooper, is considered the
inventor of the first portable handset. Dr. Cooper, former general
manager for the systems division at Motorola, and the first person to
make a call on a portable cellular phone.
1973 - Dr. Cooper set up a base station in New
York with the first working prototype of a cellular telephone, the
Motorola Dyna-Tac. Mr. Cooper and Motorola took the phone technology to
New York to show the public.
1977 - Cell phones go public. Public cell phone
testing began. The city of Chicago was where the first trials began with
2000 customers, and eventually other cell phone trials appeared in the
Washington D.C. and Baltimore area. Japan began testing cellular phone
service in 1979.
1988 - this year changed many of the technologies
that had become typical in the past. The Cellular Technology Industry
Association (CTIA) was developed to lay down practical goals for
cellular phone providers. This included research for new applications
for cell phone development. A new standard was placed with the creation
of the TDMA Interim Standard 54, in 1991 by the Telecommunications
Industry Association.
In spite of the unbelievable demand, it took cellular phone service
37 years total to become commercially accessible in the US. According to
the Cellular Telecommunications Industry Association, today there are
more than 60 million customers with cellular phones, even though
wireless service was just invented nearly 50 years ago. The cellular
business was a $3 million market 25 years ago and has grown increasingly
to close to a $30 billion per year industry.
So There you go the cell phone was first, at least by 12 years or less.
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03-15-2010, 5:24 AM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
hi pressure: BruceS:Why would someone want to visit a regular cell tower in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
So why would someone want to visit a regular payphone in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
To make a call? Receive a call? What can you do at a cell tower? Don't try to use a previous category which was created before peer review to justify your category, things change over time. I doubt that payphones would pass peer review today.
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03-15-2010, 5:26 AM |
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gt.us
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
I think it's commonly used -vs- invented.
Probably there even the GPSer use has been common for the past 3 years, and the cell phones 8-10?
I know MY kids didn't have a cell phone until they left home and could pay for their own, where as my cousins 8 year old has had a cell of her own for a year.
Going back to the pay phones, the category narrative tells how they are a rareity and harder and harder to find as time goes by. There will come a time when the only pay phones you will see will be in museums. I suppose some technalogical advance some day will make cell towers obsolete (I hope), but I don't expect I'll still be waymarking at that time.
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03-15-2010, 10:30 AM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
BruceS: What can you do at a cell tower
get arrested....
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03-16-2010, 12:36 AM |
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
Fair call BruceS.
Being new to waymarking I didn't know that about the payphone category, which was created before peer review.
No worries.
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04-05-2010, 4:59 AM |
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gt.us
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Re: Mobile Phone Towers in Australia in Peer Review
hi pressure: BruceS:Why would someone want to visit a regular cell tower in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
So why would someone want to visit a regular payphone in the first place? (other than to collect a waymark)
An interesting article on payphones on CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/02/pay.phones.irpt/index.html?hpt=Sbin
It would be nice if ALL pay phones could be waymarked, and not just those that take incoming calls.
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