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I curious how Waymarks get 'archived'. For example, if a Waymark is listed for a Subway and the Subway closes and gets turned in to a Jack in the Box, the Subway listing is no longer valid. How do you archive the Subway listing?

And if a Waymark is 'archived' can you still view it like with geocaches?

Does it take away from your visits?

Any other info on how this works in Waymarking is appreciated.

simpjkee:

I curious how Waymarks get 'archived'. For example, if a Waymark is listed for a Subway and the Subway closes and gets turned in to a Jack in the Box, the Subway listing is no longer valid. How do you archive the Subway listing?

And if a Waymark is 'archived' can you still view it like with geocaches?

Does it take away from your visits?

Any other info on how this works in Waymarking is appreciated.

When you pull up the waymark, there is an archive waymark button on the right side, just below the 'view gallery'. At that point, you will be able to view it by setting filters, but nobody else will.

Many of us choose to prefix a waymark that has become archivable with the words [LEGACY] in the title. This way the historical information is viewable.

For the example given, if a Subway became a Jack in the Box, I would archive it...  no need to preserve that "history" and call it legacy.

When a waymark is archived it does not take away visits or does it change any counts personal counts.

BruceS:

For the example given, if a Subway became a Jack in the Box, I would archive it...  no need to preserve that "history" and call it legacy.

When a waymark is archived it does not take away visits or does it change any counts personal counts.

I wonder if ,in this case, the change category function would be a good way to preserve history.

The fact that the Jack-in-the-box used to be a Subway may seem to be a waste of bytes today, but at some point in the future it may have value.

gt.us:

BruceS:

For the example given, if a Subway became a Jack in the Box, I would archive it...  no need to preserve that "history" and call it legacy.

When a waymark is archived it does not take away visits or does it change any counts personal counts.

I wonder if ,in this case, the change category function would be a good way to preserve history. The fact that the Jack-in-the-box used to be a Subway may seem to be a waste of bytes today, but at some point in the future it may have value.

I don't know if changing the category of a waymark gives it a new WM# or not, I haven't tried it (I believe it does)  As you know the archived waymark is not lost and still will come up in Google type searches, thus the history will not be lost, it just won't come up in a search on the site for someone hankering for a Subway instead of a Jack in the Box.

at least archived marks dont disappear anymore.

but this is one of many functions that needs working on (PQs?)-- Archived Waymarks and proper sorting/display amongst waymarking.....

i still think an 'archived marks tab' on the category page is the first step....i have posted in other places about clicking the '181' on the penny smashers listing on my posted marks tab on my profile....

While I may have started the [LEGACY] thing, it was only to serve as a way to identify that the location either no longer exists or that what was documented no longer fits into that category.

Even though I understand what BruceS is saying, what I find in my life beyond GPS games is that I am having conversations like this...

"Do you remember Marcarian's?"
"Oh yeah, they had great pizza"
"Where were they? It was on Hartzel Rd right?"
"No, that was Julio's. Marcarian's was on Ontario St."
"Man, that was 30 years ago and I still remember..."

I'd rather have a LEGACY Subway than someone start a new category for "Former Subway Restaurants".

Now, if we are talking about a new feature... I think giving people the option to make their listings become "legacy" and subsequently they could only be logged if the listing owner accepts it, instead of having to delete it after the fact... that would be a great addition.

Example: if the 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea ride was a LEGACY waymark and I tried to log it today, the listing owner (let's say Rayman) would get an email "The Blue Quasar is attempting to log a visit to 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea" with a link to the log. This would look exactly like the review page for new listings and there would be my log and images, and two buttons "accept" and "decline".

I would only favour this for a new option for the logging of listings converted to legacy status.

BQ

yes, i like this system....

how about this example:
Cypress Gardens in Winter Park, FL

i marked quite a number of things (on the last day the amusement section was open).

the water park has recently closed. and the property is being converted to 'Legoland, Florida'.

while at a practice for the 'Second Time Around' marching band, one of the members came up and pointed at the cypress gardens shirt i had on and said 'you know i water skiied there in the late 70s'.....

though this has a specific category: closed amusement parks (or whatever), many of the other waymarks inside the park no longer 'exist'.....

this brings into play the retrovisit. its one thing to retrovisit disneyland from your 1973 vacation (well, the dates dont go back that far, yet), but things that have closed or been demolished (in the case of the historic highschool you went to).

my issue is that i dont want all the 'archived' waymarks cluttering my map when im visiting an area--i act like a rat in a maze as it is.....

thus i proposed the 'archived marks' tab on the category page.....so when i find the pics of the subyway i ate at in june 1997 in the bahamas i can retro visit the archived mark....this tab is needed so that archived marks are still public, and easily accessible.

so, when i eventually have to archive the many waymarks removed in the conversion of an amusement park, those that have yet to find this little thing we call a hobby can add their perspective.....

i am not saying that you should go out and waymark the pizza place that closed 10 years ago; but, if you really wanted to i would suggest photos then/now or the old advertisement category

I see the "archive waymark" button on waymarks I own, but not on waymarks I've visited. I'm looking for something similar to a "needs archived" log in geocaching.

For example, I visited the Subway waymark, but the Subway is not there and has been replaced by a Jack in the Box. The owner is not responding. What do I do? How do I go about archiving that waymark to keep the game current?

simpjkee:

I see the "archive waymark" button on waymarks I own, but not on waymarks I've visited. I'm looking for something similar to a "needs archived" log in geocaching. For example, I visited the Subway waymark, but the Subway is not there and has been replaced by a Jack in the Box. The owner is not responding. What do I do? How do I go about archiving that waymark to keep the game current?

You can email the group leader and he can archive the waymark.

if its in a category with an active leader/officer....

sounds like a good use for the 'nonmember' sending a message to all 'officers' in one fell swoop---no more opening each profile (wait, when did they last lon in) and copying the message to them all...

There is no need to delete a Waymark you like to keep.
 I just S/trike out the title to make everyone aware it's only "Disabled" and not "Archived"
Example: Cullen Gardens

Alright, I got another question about this. So I went to the Subway and it is now a Jack in the box and I think the Subway waymark is no longer valid and should be archived.

My new question is: Do I log the Subway as a visit and explain that the Subway is no longer there and it should be archived? or do a post a comment on the Subway waymark saying that the Subway is no longer there and should be archived?

thats a personal preference....

arguments could go either way....

what about this one that shouldnt be in this category?

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM7ZYW_Goodwill__Pinellas_Park_FL

i sent a note to the approver (we all know SQ is away), and even the owner....
no response....

so i visited it....

the question is, as an officer in the category, do i go back and reevaluate to deny? since, in this case we do have 'permanant donation locations'.....

then, once the category is removed and it is reassigned to 'PDL' will i have to visit it again, or will my visit travel with it?

simpjkee:

My new question is: Do I log the Subway as a visit and explain that the Subway is no longer there and it should be archived? or do a post a comment on the Subway waymark saying that the Subway is no longer there and should be archived?

It's completely up to you. If  your question is coming from a kind of geocaching perspective, where a 'Found It' log on a missing cache is considered to be inappropriate by some (probably most), don't worry about it. The same concept just plain doesn't apply in waymarking. There would be no stigma attached to recording a visit to a location whose associated waymark was no longer available.

chapterhouseinc:

the question is, as an officer in the category, do i go back and reevaluate to deny?

Is that a hypothetical question? As far as I can see, you aren't an officer in that category.

Assuming it was a hypothetical question ... I'd say reevaluate and send it to a vote.

If that is possible. Is it possible to reevaluate an accepted waymark and send it to a vote?

not that it never shoudve been posted,
but is NEVER shouldve been a 'thrift store' , as it is only a 'donation location'--trust me. wedve been there MANY times if it was a store....

so, how does one get things like this corrected? i can suggest an edit, but not a category change...and obviously the 'owner' doesnt care..as ive let him know several times that it doesnt belong....and the approver is still 'away'......