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So, it has been awhile. I am still working on the freestanding columns category..which I love and also still ruminating over the relief art category.

Anyway, for some reason I am really into flagpoles especially the dedicated ones. I want to waymark them and start documenting them. Anyone interested in joining?

AND before anyone says it: YES there will be some cross-posting. Oh well. There is nothing wrong with cross-posting.

I do know there are several of these near me that are unwaymarkable. They are in every country and every continent. They are not overly prevalent but exist just enough to make it fun to try and find.

Okay, that's it.

Eric

math teacher:

There is nothing wrong with cross-posting.

No, but there is with duplication.  Just keep that in mind when creating this thing.

math teacher:

  They are not overly prevalent but exist just enough to make it fun to try and find.

I would disagree with you there.  Almost every park and preserve has one around here.  And if there is a military component, too, then there is another five.  I would not enjoy this category for over prevalence.

Looking at the Trees and Benches categories, I think I might be in the minority here.

Anyway,  are you going to limit who the dedications will be for?  Can it only be individuals or will you allow groups?  Will it be only "For Cindy Lou Who" or "Dedicated to the Citizens of Whoville?"

only people of Whoville says my daughter :0)

I don't think this is a bad idea at all.

The key, to my mind, is documenting the dedication.  This is information that is probably not generally available elsewhere and would therefore be making a genuine and original contribution to the body of knowledge.

This means having a clear close-up of the plaque or sign with the dedication information on it, and that can certainly be a challenge sometimes.  I've seen little brass plaques at the base of a pole.  That means getting down low to get a decent photo that will be clear and readable.  That's just what it takes.   Of course, I would expect to see the full text of said plaque/sign in the long description.  That's the point.

Getting a good overview of such a tall, slender object can also be a challenge, and then one that includes the background - building, park, plaza, etc. is also important.

I don't think such a category would really be redundant, because it is focusing on the dedication rather than the flag, surrounding memorials, or location.   I would say these would be proximity categories, but not duplicate categories.   So a church has a unique steeple, bell tower, and stained glass windows.  Each is a distinct feature of the same building and has its own category even though it is the same building.   This really isn't even cross-posting.   When the church is 100 years old and also qualifies for a denominational category and is listed on the NRHP, then that is true cross-posting.

Anyway, I think this is an idea worthy of development.

math teacher:

AND before anyone says it: YES there will be some cross-posting. Oh well. There is nothing wrong with cross-posting.

I do know there are several of these near me that are unwaymarkable. They are in every country and every continent.

I must confess, I have never heard of dedicated flag poles before. So either I am living in the only country where they do not exist, or you live in the only one where they do, or (more probably) the truth is somewhere in between. However, I currently do have my doubts about the global requirement and I did not find any useful documentation about this topic online. So I think it is only fair to give me some more information about it, because I will not support anything I don't have a clue about it.

fi67:

I must confess, I have never heard of dedicated flag poles before. So either I am living in the only country where they do not exist, or you live in the only one where they do, or (more probably) the truth is somewhere in between.

Don´t remember seing any of those around here either. But, then again, maybe i haven´t searched enough.

I am not sure where to go with this category. It is something I enjoy finding in my scavenger hunt quests.

I was surprised to read some comments in which waymarkers never heard of such a thing. I am pretty sure this idea is a lot more globally prevalent then a historic marker category limited to a state or specific country.

Some of my favorite categories are regional. How many of you who have not heard of a dedicated flag pole have a Lincoln Highway in your country?

So, I think this Universal argument is not relevant and will not enter into a final decision. These flag poles are in Australia, United States, Europe, Canada, Mexico and Israel. I have SEEN them.

Finally, picking up where Larry left off, my intent is not so much the flag pole, but also the individual being memorialized. The conceived idea will not work for the lazy, the numbers chaser or the copy and paster. If that is your interest as a waymarker, then you will have to deny this category if it comes up for a peer vote because it simply will not appeal to your reasons to waymark. This category is to create something NEW not to recreate something someone else already has created, like in the Wikipedia category (no offense to any cop-and-pasters out there). I am sorry to say, but copy-and-pasters and those with limited writing skills would be VERY frustrated with a category like this. Not every category can appeal to every Waymarker. Were that the criteria, we would have zero categories.

Anyone who knows me well, understands my interest lies in history and documentation of history..any kind of history. To this end, I would like to develop and create this category.

You must have misunderstood me a bit. I did not say I am against this category because it is not global.

I said I want more information to make my decision. I do not know what it is and I could not find any information about it. Not on Wikipedia and nowhere else. I will not vote for something I don't understand, but I have no problem supporting a category that does not exist in or near my home country; it's not about my icon count. I just want to know enough to be sure it's a good idea.

Innate seen flatlined that are dedicated to people, wars and groups in my area and that would be northwest PA

"WOW" what happened to that post!
The first part is " I have seen flag poles"

Most of the dedicated flagpoles I have seen are usually to honor military service. Dedicated flagpoles were very popular (at least in Colorado) to honor US Civil War, Spanish-American War , WWI and WWII. It may be hard to tell if the flagpole is dedicated or part of a nearby memorial (for example: here).

 I have just posted the poles in the respective category(s). So might this be a redundant category?

Outspoken1

math teacher:

my intent is not so much the flag pole, but also the individual being memorialized. The conceived idea will not work for the lazy, the numbers chaser or the copy and paster.

Don't be so sure.

Outspoken1 says she has several already posted elsewhere.  I know I have several, too. 

If this passes as a category, I will copy and paste one of my existing waymarks just for the icon and move along.  WHY?  Because there is very little interest for me to visit a dedicated flag pole.

I want to see something new.  Not something I can copy and paste from elsewhere.

Then you have other issue we seem to be dancing around: duplication.  Outspoken1 mentions several found in the military categories.  My biggest fear is duplication with the Citizen's Memorial category, too.

By and large, you will have - at least in the US - flagpoles that will fit into either the Specific Veterans category or the Citizen's Memorial category.

Can you show me examples of dedicate flagpoles that would not be accepted into either?

fi67:

You must have misunderstood me a bit. I did not say I am against this category because it is not global.

I said I want more information to make my decision. I do not know what it is and I could not find any information about it. Not on Wikipedia and nowhere else. I will not vote for something I don't understand, but I have no problem supporting a category that does not exist in or near my home country; it's not about my icon count. I just want to know enough to be sure it's a good idea.

My idea also. Afte seen some exemples i can´t say that i have seen those around here. I´m not saying that they don´t exist, but, if they do, they are not that common.
As for copy paste i have to say that everyone is free to "play the game" as they want. Some are here for the icons, some for the numbers, some for a specific category (Most Spanish only waymark the category "Vértices Geodésicos" for exemple), but, everyone keeps doing it for fun and that should be the main purpose.
If i have already waymarked something and i can crosspost why should i "invent the wheel" again and again. I admit i may not be that fluent in English, but, that´s natural because it´s not my mother tonge. nevertheless all my posts are in English because this is a global game and i believe that everyone capable of finding the site, post and visit WM´s should be capable of reading them.
My 5 cents.